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God's law or private law?
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RE: God's law or private law?
(December 16, 2022 at 12:12 pm)Leonardo17 Wrote: they should begin hating themselves a little bit. There has to be some sort of self-critisism inside every man and woman in this world. (what are you even talking about?)

Years ago I read a long philosophical novel by Iris Murdoch -- a splendid writer who deserves to be much better known.

Near the end of the book, after many events and much discussion, one of the characters says, "We should live quietly and learn to hate ourselves." (This was spoken by a character, not by Murdoch herself, so it isn't necessarily the view of the author. Nonetheless the character was presented as a reasonable person, which meant that her words were not to be taken as insane.)

Naturally this seemed very strange to me. As a young American I had been raised to think that loving yourself was always best, that the schools are there largely to foster "self-esteem," and the best way to go through life is to forgive yourself as quickly and thoroughly as possible. For example, "Of course I shot all those kids at the school, but I'm not really a bad guy." 

It's taken me a long time to ponder the wisdom of giving up self-love. There are Buddhist approaches, but also (as always) Western sources which parallel the Eastern wisdom.
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God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - December 16, 2022 at 12:12 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - December 17, 2022 at 5:36 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by arewethereyet - December 17, 2022 at 6:42 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 17, 2022 at 6:56 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - December 18, 2022 at 11:15 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by Belacqua - December 17, 2022 at 7:34 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by WinterHold - December 17, 2022 at 4:37 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - December 18, 2022 at 11:42 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - December 18, 2022 at 11:22 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by arewethereyet - December 17, 2022 at 7:40 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by Belacqua - December 17, 2022 at 8:16 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by arewethereyet - December 17, 2022 at 10:18 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by WinterHold - December 17, 2022 at 4:47 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by arewethereyet - December 17, 2022 at 5:04 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by WinterHold - December 17, 2022 at 5:14 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by Ranjr - December 17, 2022 at 5:46 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by arewethereyet - December 17, 2022 at 5:52 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by Belacqua - December 18, 2022 at 7:20 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by arewethereyet - December 18, 2022 at 9:18 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - December 18, 2022 at 11:49 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - December 18, 2022 at 11:43 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - December 18, 2022 at 11:29 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by Angrboda - December 17, 2022 at 5:48 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by brewer - December 17, 2022 at 7:45 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - December 18, 2022 at 11:45 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by brewer - December 18, 2022 at 5:14 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - December 19, 2022 at 1:38 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by brewer - December 19, 2022 at 4:35 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by Ranjr - December 17, 2022 at 8:04 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by arewethereyet - December 19, 2022 at 12:25 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by brewer - December 19, 2022 at 4:52 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by Anomalocaris - December 25, 2022 at 10:28 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - December 25, 2022 at 2:05 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by The Grand Nudger - December 19, 2022 at 12:50 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - December 21, 2022 at 9:33 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 19, 2022 at 6:33 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by The Grand Nudger - December 21, 2022 at 9:54 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - December 21, 2022 at 2:48 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by The Grand Nudger - December 21, 2022 at 3:00 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - December 25, 2022 at 9:27 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by The Grand Nudger - December 26, 2022 at 9:55 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - December 27, 2022 at 6:09 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by HappySkeptic - December 28, 2022 at 12:12 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by The Grand Nudger - December 28, 2022 at 8:36 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by The Grand Nudger - December 28, 2022 at 1:09 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - December 29, 2022 at 9:49 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by The Grand Nudger - December 29, 2022 at 11:25 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - December 29, 2022 at 2:21 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by HappySkeptic - December 29, 2022 at 3:59 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - December 31, 2022 at 6:03 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by LinuxGal - December 31, 2022 at 10:48 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by The Grand Nudger - December 29, 2022 at 7:42 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - December 31, 2022 at 6:13 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by The Grand Nudger - January 1, 2023 at 5:42 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - January 1, 2023 at 2:35 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by The Grand Nudger - January 1, 2023 at 3:06 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - January 2, 2023 at 11:57 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by The Grand Nudger - January 4, 2023 at 10:05 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - January 6, 2023 at 6:34 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by HappySkeptic - January 6, 2023 at 1:50 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - January 7, 2023 at 2:04 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by The Grand Nudger - January 9, 2023 at 4:17 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - January 10, 2023 at 7:08 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - January 12, 2023 at 9:30 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by The Grand Nudger - January 12, 2023 at 11:38 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - January 13, 2023 at 8:25 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by Angrboda - January 13, 2023 at 10:24 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by The Grand Nudger - January 13, 2023 at 10:33 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - January 14, 2023 at 3:25 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by The Grand Nudger - January 14, 2023 at 4:35 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - January 15, 2023 at 3:07 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by The Grand Nudger - January 15, 2023 at 10:00 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - January 16, 2023 at 10:02 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by The Grand Nudger - January 19, 2023 at 2:19 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - January 19, 2023 at 2:48 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - January 19, 2023 at 5:42 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by The Grand Nudger - January 19, 2023 at 3:32 pm

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