Russia and Ukraine

[Irreligious Atheist]

If NATO wasn't providing all of the weapons, I'd be fine with Ukraine fighting to the last man, if that's what they wanted to do. What I'm not fine with, is a war between NATO and Russia, which is happening now, unofficially. What I'm not fine with, is us going deep into Russia to attack their bases. We did that. NATO. And Ukrainians are freezing right now because of NATO.

There is no war between NATO and Russia. It a war between Ukraine and Russia and were not going anywhere Ukraine is to defend itself from bombing runs and Ukrainians are freezing because Russia is bombing their power plants. That has nothing to do with NATO.

Should Ukraine have accepted the peace deal? Who the hell knows. 

No we do know that Putin is untrustworthy so no they should not have accepted the deal and now that they are winning it's even clearer they should not have.

The West/United States was arming rebels in Syria knowing that those weapons were mostly falling into the hands of Al Qaeda and Isis and their affiliates, and now NATO is going deep into Russia to attack their bases.That's a hair away from WWIII. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton brought open slave markets back to the streets of Libya, so why would the US getting involved in things ever be a bad idea? I don't know. NATO are the good guys, right, so what is there to worry about? A world war has never happened before, right, twice, so like Helios says, we should just assume that a world war is never going to happen again. Nukes are irrelevant. They may as well not exist, etc, etc. This is what I'm told by Helios.

Whataboutism. This isn't any of those places or those wars so the comparison doesn't work.WW3 isn't happening nor is Russia going to use its nukes if they even can use them...



All your objections suck...

And did attacking the base actually stop any bombing runs or stop anyone from freezing to death? So you attacked the base for little gain, and a whole boat load of risk. Not a bright decision. And wouldn't Ukraine have needed the help of Western intelligence to be able to pull off the strike on the base? Evading Russian detection and all of that? Is that really something they would be capable of all on their own? Sounds highly doubtful. The US and NATO has been helping with intelligence and logistics and all of that in Ukraine, so that makes it our war. There is no way around it.