(June 27, 2009 at 4:29 pm)peace2u Wrote:(June 10, 2009 at 3:46 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: So you'd marry, what was it, a nine year old girl like Mohammed reputedly did? You paedophilia?
I didn't know that my marriage status was a concern to you. Regarding the issue of Prophet Muhammed's (PBUH) marriage to Aisha, i recommend you watch the following video and consider everything that is mentioned.
OK ... interesting video thank you.
As I understand it his argument was primarily that what is acceptable (morality in essence) varies from culture to culture and across time, that it was different then because lives were shorter so women were considered sexually active younger and so on (presumably men then also "came of age" earlier too). He further cited the Western paedophiles visiting countries with laxer laws on child sex. This is going to shock you ... I agree! Oh sure I still have problems with what they did then but that, I freely admit, is born out of the social morality of my own culture, my own time.
The only thing I had real issue with in the video was his statement that, and correct me if I am wrong here, if any Muslim man (even if he were 50) were to choose to take a young woman as his wife for the purpose of sexual relations and children that is OK by historical/religious precedent. That (even using his own argument, particularly in the earlier parts) is wrong because it clearly depends on the culture within which you live. If he lives in Arabia and the laws support that age for sexual relations then it is acceptable (it isn't actually that simple because Arabia isn't a land where laws tend to be rights-based so laws don't reflect mortality and the UN which is trying to establish a number of standards, including some relating child sex and so on, is trying to set a higher standards in these respects but we'll skip that for now) because that is, as the gentlemen said, their culture (not ours) but that DOES NOT mean that a Muslim man gets that right when he lives in a country that does not grant him that right and in fact says that it is illegal. And that is the point I was making to you, not specifically that Mohammed was a paedophile, but that you said you would follow his example and that he (by our standards in The West, indeed by most civilised countries in the world) would today be considered a paedophile.
So the question P2U is, where do you live?
Kyu
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