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Energy As The Essence of Sentience
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RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience
(January 10, 2023 at 10:47 am)Authari Wrote:
(January 10, 2023 at 10:30 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: You have told us that you found God by means of a hallucinogenic herb. We're just taking you at your word.


You were correct to put 'hated' in scare quotes. Fictional characters can be 'hated' for their fictional deeds or for being poorly writtn. But Joffry never really did anything to anyone, so the most hatred anyone can feel for him is 'hatred'.


And the honest scare quotes conveniently disappear.


Misgivings against God have no bearing on whether God is real. I have misgivings about Joffrey, that has no bearing on whether or not Joffrey is real. If I found out Joffrey was secretly a good guy all along, or completely reformed, I wouldn't suddenly start thinking Joffrey is real. That would be inane. If I found out that Joffrey was a real historical person that RR stole whole cloth, but the real Joffrey was even worse than the fictional one, I would accept the existence of the real, historical Joffrey if historians agreed he was real.

If God was as portrayed in the Bible, vindictive and arguably incompetent, I would believe in him if he made his existence objectively clear. It would be hard to worship him sincerely, but I'd have to believe he's real.

If God was a lovey-dovey hippie of impecable character doing the best he can in a big universe but has limitations on its power that keep it from making everything great but is still the most powerful being there is...I wouldn't be any more likely to believe it's real if it doesn't make it's existence objectively clear.

Misgivings or the lack thereof are irrelevant to whether I believe something is real.

Ah so you only don't believe in the fictional God of the Bible? Surely then you must believe in the Historical God that the writers of the Bible stole 'whole cloth'

I don't believe any god is really real. If I did, that would make me a theist. I am not aware of any historical evidence for God, and I don't see how historical evidence could support the existence of an omnipotent being that created the universe.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Authari - December 30, 2022 at 7:03 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by LinuxGal - December 30, 2022 at 8:15 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 30, 2022 at 8:16 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Angrboda - December 30, 2022 at 8:19 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Authari - December 30, 2022 at 8:28 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Angrboda - December 30, 2022 at 8:47 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Authari - December 30, 2022 at 9:01 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Angrboda - December 30, 2022 at 9:10 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Gwaithmir - January 8, 2023 at 11:33 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by zebo-the-fat - December 30, 2022 at 8:20 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Fake Messiah - December 30, 2022 at 8:24 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by LinuxGal - December 30, 2022 at 9:13 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Anomalocaris - December 30, 2022 at 8:23 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Anomalocaris - December 30, 2022 at 8:30 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Authari - December 30, 2022 at 8:48 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Angrboda - December 30, 2022 at 8:49 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 30, 2022 at 9:31 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Authari - December 30, 2022 at 9:36 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 30, 2022 at 9:55 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Mister Agenda - December 30, 2022 at 11:00 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Authari - December 30, 2022 at 11:09 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Mister Agenda - December 30, 2022 at 11:17 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Authari - December 30, 2022 at 11:27 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Mister Agenda - December 30, 2022 at 11:30 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Authari - December 30, 2022 at 11:51 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by LinuxGal - December 30, 2022 at 12:08 pm
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Jehanne - December 30, 2022 at 5:12 pm
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Mister Agenda - January 13, 2023 at 11:07 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Objectivist - January 7, 2023 at 1:44 pm
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Anomalocaris - December 30, 2022 at 9:47 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Authari - December 30, 2022 at 9:49 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Anomalocaris - December 30, 2022 at 9:54 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Authari - December 30, 2022 at 9:58 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Anomalocaris - December 30, 2022 at 10:03 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by arewethereyet - December 30, 2022 at 9:57 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Authari - December 30, 2022 at 10:09 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by arewethereyet - December 30, 2022 at 10:03 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Angrboda - December 30, 2022 at 10:38 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Deesse23 - December 30, 2022 at 11:21 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Peebothuhlu - December 30, 2022 at 11:43 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Ravenshire - December 30, 2022 at 2:52 pm
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Nay_Sayer - December 30, 2022 at 8:40 pm
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Objectivist - January 7, 2023 at 1:35 pm
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Anomalocaris - January 7, 2023 at 2:44 pm
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Tomatoshadow2 - January 9, 2023 at 4:38 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Authari - January 9, 2023 at 6:07 pm
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Anomalocaris - January 9, 2023 at 6:33 pm
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Gwaithmir - January 10, 2023 at 8:33 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Authari - January 10, 2023 at 8:53 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Mister Agenda - January 10, 2023 at 10:30 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Authari - January 10, 2023 at 10:47 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Mister Agenda - January 10, 2023 at 10:53 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Authari - January 10, 2023 at 11:02 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Mister Agenda - January 12, 2023 at 10:54 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Gwaithmir - January 11, 2023 at 10:39 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Anomalocaris - January 11, 2023 at 10:38 pm
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Gwaithmir - January 12, 2023 at 8:14 pm
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Anomalocaris - January 10, 2023 at 8:56 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by arewethereyet - January 10, 2023 at 11:05 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Authari - January 10, 2023 at 11:19 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 10, 2023 at 11:30 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Authari - January 10, 2023 at 11:53 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 10, 2023 at 12:21 pm
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by The Grand Nudger - January 10, 2023 at 11:43 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Tomatoshadow2 - January 10, 2023 at 11:56 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Authari - January 10, 2023 at 12:22 pm
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 10, 2023 at 12:24 pm
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Paleophyte - January 11, 2023 at 9:49 pm
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Tomatoshadow2 - January 10, 2023 at 11:59 am
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by The Grand Nudger - January 10, 2023 at 12:27 pm
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by arewethereyet - January 10, 2023 at 2:03 pm
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Pat Mustard - January 10, 2023 at 8:38 pm
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by Anomalocaris - January 10, 2023 at 10:27 pm
RE: Energy As The Essence of Sentience - by The Grand Nudger - January 12, 2023 at 11:23 am

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