1) These are basic misunderstandings that are based on your chakra level. For a first chakra level person “submission” is understood as “total submission an obedience to a given ideology whether it’s a logical ideology or not” it’s just a message of becoming a robot or a little puppy that does whatever you teach it to do. That’s why religion has always been a good tool for controlling the masses.
Still a third chakra person will interpret this differently. We all have an inner / infinite reality in us (you may not agree but that’s the basic idea). We define this as our true self. And we want to submit our Ego (our fake or superficial persona) to this infinite reality. And the “magic book” is one of the many tools we can use to do that.
When you do the opposite. That is when you add things to the teaching because you want to add them, then use the teaching as a tool to impose your convictions on other people, this means you are doing the exact opposite. Instead of using the teaching a mean of surrendering your Ego to your higher self, you are using the teaching / the doctrine to serve your own Ego-based convictions and beliefs. That’s one of the key elements in the books written by Y.N. Öztürk. And it’s a serious problem that we are facing within many religious traditions. The reason for that is that we are still in an era of low energies. That is we are slowly awakening as humanity, but we are still at the very beginning of our true potential. So we don’t hate those people. Still, etymologically, they are people who are submitting religion to their ego based twisted convictions. I / we are using the teaching to rediscover our own true, inner nature. So if they are in, I have to be out. And if I am in. Than they must be out
2b) There is no “enemy of Islam”. There is just a term that I will translate as “those who create trouble / disorder”. The media is translating the accusations made by the IRI on innocent protester as “enmity toward God” and / or “corruption on earth”. I am not an expert but number one is an absurdity. Even if God was a cosmic persona (and I already said I don’t see it that way), I can’t begin to imagine the kind of technology necessary to do that (I know they have missiles and all but I don’t think this is ever going to be possible )
And number two is an error of translation. “Those who create trouble / chaos” (the way I understand it) means spies, provocateurs, propagandists and / or terrorists. So the Taliban are in this category and are not in my category.
In the middle ages there was this Guy called Hassan Sabah or “the old man of the mountain”. His disciple were called assassins. From the world Hashashi because this “old man of the mountain” used drugs to brainwash his disciples and turn them into suicide sqads to go and murder whoever he wanted in the medieval Arab world. So this clause in the holy books is giving us a license to kill these people if / when we put our hands on them. The Quran specifically says “search them, look for them from every watchtower and disable them (kill them)”. But I may be wrong. I’m not an expert. But I am a very sensitive person too. Still I felt nothing at all when I heard that Harry of Whales killed 23 Taliban’s. As long as respected the rules of war, I’m perfectly fine with that
2) Ok. That’s fair. But there ways to measure those things too. I find my practice to be highly beneficial for me and for others. True spirituality is supposed to make you more kind toward yourself and toward other people. Think of the Dalai Lama, of Louise Hay (just watch on Youtube) or of mother Theressa, of someone like Pope Francis etc. Spiritual people are kind and they increase the feeling of peace and serenity around them. When Lao-Tzu walked into a village people would suddenly become more peaceful and compassionate. That’s the energy radiating from those people. It is almost measurable. I’ve met such people when I was very young and let’s say convinced about my own truths. They will usually just laugh at you. Talk to you in a kind way, like an elder brother talking to a toddler. They won’t blame you. They won’t criticize you or engage in a battle of words with. They just have this “inner peace” in them. So that’s how you know. Go and watch a short of Sadghuru for instance. You’ll know what I mean.
On the other hand. The “Brainiac” type of believer. Will talk and blame. And talk. And criticize. And make you feel guilty. And issue warnings, scare you. Terrorize you. And talk and talk with an incredible amount of self-confidence. And you will feel stresses and confused. Than angry. Than happy. And when it’s over you’ll just feel tired. As if you were in a traffic jam for 2 hours. This is just the difference between one who knows he/she knows nothing and the one who seriously thinks he knows everything. Many people are able to make the difference.
And biggots know that too you know. Once I even gave my money to a guy like that. I don’t know how he did that. He just talked and talked and seemed so peaceful and mindful too than he asked for my help. And I did. It took me 1 hour to realize that I had just been …ed.
But that the main criteria. Look for genuine humility. You don’t impose highly obstructive laws on half of you population if you hace a fraction of humility in you. So that’s one of my main criteria. The other is the name. Or the tradition. In India there are some schools of Yoga with a line of teachers that go back to the 18th century at least. And in the West there are people who are bestseller authors. Many of them are bestsellers for a reason. Like Deephak Chopra for instance. So that’s how I proceed.
So the guy above… Just don’t be impressed. Not everyone who looks like a monk is a monk
Still a third chakra person will interpret this differently. We all have an inner / infinite reality in us (you may not agree but that’s the basic idea). We define this as our true self. And we want to submit our Ego (our fake or superficial persona) to this infinite reality. And the “magic book” is one of the many tools we can use to do that.
When you do the opposite. That is when you add things to the teaching because you want to add them, then use the teaching as a tool to impose your convictions on other people, this means you are doing the exact opposite. Instead of using the teaching a mean of surrendering your Ego to your higher self, you are using the teaching / the doctrine to serve your own Ego-based convictions and beliefs. That’s one of the key elements in the books written by Y.N. Öztürk. And it’s a serious problem that we are facing within many religious traditions. The reason for that is that we are still in an era of low energies. That is we are slowly awakening as humanity, but we are still at the very beginning of our true potential. So we don’t hate those people. Still, etymologically, they are people who are submitting religion to their ego based twisted convictions. I / we are using the teaching to rediscover our own true, inner nature. So if they are in, I have to be out. And if I am in. Than they must be out
2b) There is no “enemy of Islam”. There is just a term that I will translate as “those who create trouble / disorder”. The media is translating the accusations made by the IRI on innocent protester as “enmity toward God” and / or “corruption on earth”. I am not an expert but number one is an absurdity. Even if God was a cosmic persona (and I already said I don’t see it that way), I can’t begin to imagine the kind of technology necessary to do that (I know they have missiles and all but I don’t think this is ever going to be possible
)And number two is an error of translation. “Those who create trouble / chaos” (the way I understand it) means spies, provocateurs, propagandists and / or terrorists. So the Taliban are in this category and are not in my category.
In the middle ages there was this Guy called Hassan Sabah or “the old man of the mountain”. His disciple were called assassins. From the world Hashashi because this “old man of the mountain” used drugs to brainwash his disciples and turn them into suicide sqads to go and murder whoever he wanted in the medieval Arab world. So this clause in the holy books is giving us a license to kill these people if / when we put our hands on them. The Quran specifically says “search them, look for them from every watchtower and disable them (kill them)”. But I may be wrong. I’m not an expert. But I am a very sensitive person too. Still I felt nothing at all when I heard that Harry of Whales killed 23 Taliban’s. As long as respected the rules of war, I’m perfectly fine with that
2) Ok. That’s fair. But there ways to measure those things too. I find my practice to be highly beneficial for me and for others. True spirituality is supposed to make you more kind toward yourself and toward other people. Think of the Dalai Lama, of Louise Hay (just watch on Youtube) or of mother Theressa, of someone like Pope Francis etc. Spiritual people are kind and they increase the feeling of peace and serenity around them. When Lao-Tzu walked into a village people would suddenly become more peaceful and compassionate. That’s the energy radiating from those people. It is almost measurable. I’ve met such people when I was very young and let’s say convinced about my own truths. They will usually just laugh at you. Talk to you in a kind way, like an elder brother talking to a toddler. They won’t blame you. They won’t criticize you or engage in a battle of words with. They just have this “inner peace” in them. So that’s how you know. Go and watch a short of Sadghuru for instance. You’ll know what I mean.
On the other hand. The “Brainiac” type of believer. Will talk and blame. And talk. And criticize. And make you feel guilty. And issue warnings, scare you. Terrorize you. And talk and talk with an incredible amount of self-confidence. And you will feel stresses and confused. Than angry. Than happy. And when it’s over you’ll just feel tired. As if you were in a traffic jam for 2 hours. This is just the difference between one who knows he/she knows nothing and the one who seriously thinks he knows everything. Many people are able to make the difference.
And biggots know that too you know. Once I even gave my money to a guy like that. I don’t know how he did that. He just talked and talked and seemed so peaceful and mindful too than he asked for my help. And I did. It took me 1 hour to realize that I had just been …ed.
But that the main criteria. Look for genuine humility. You don’t impose highly obstructive laws on half of you population if you hace a fraction of humility in you. So that’s one of my main criteria. The other is the name. Or the tradition. In India there are some schools of Yoga with a line of teachers that go back to the 18th century at least. And in the West there are people who are bestseller authors. Many of them are bestsellers for a reason. Like Deephak Chopra for instance. So that’s how I proceed.
So the guy above… Just don’t be impressed. Not everyone who looks like a monk is a monk
