Dualism

[Purple Rabbit]

Once again--you've done this several times now--you've gone from "No evidence" to "no provable evidence" (or "no empirical evidence" as you've said before too!)...

Incorrect Evie (also @ Kyu). I have used a general term (evidence) having qualified it to be lack of proof. I'm simply reiterating. Like I've said many times, proof of Gods existence is everything. How would you distinguish a signature of a creator that appears universally? You couldn't. So it's there, but you cannot prove one way or another the existence of God from the evidence. I hope that's clear.

This discussion can go on forever in this way.

The first question is which concept of god is it that you are assessing? Is it the Christian god based on literal interpretation of KJV or is it some new age invented intangible force in nature. A big difference.

Furthermore before playing the evidence game the criterion on what is considered evidence, should be made clear. Falsifiability is the key word in the science department. This means that it should be possible to distinguish between to possible alternatives.

To assess the statement that the whole of the universe is evidence for KJV god, one could use what I call the purple rabbit criterion. As an alternative to the KJV interpretation I could conjecture that our universe and everything in it has been (accidentally) created by a purple rabbit in the 26th dimension. In other words your KJV claim is challenged by demanding demonstration of crucial differences with the purple rabbit alternative.

You will have to come forward with verifiable observations of facts that cannot be a result of creation by the purple rabbit. I have seen none so far in this thread. If for instance praying indeed would cure disease than that would certainly support the KJV style god, but praying does not cure cancer (indeed in some studies there is a slight negative effect of praying probably due to increased stress on the patient being prayed for) and we cannot distinguish the KJV claim from the purple rabbit claim. In fact, I would favour the purple rabbit alternative at the moment but not because it is my creation. It is because of things like kid cancer. Such evil strongly supports the notion that there is no mercy in nature, a trait I would expect in the KJV alternative of an almighty, all good creator. As long as this is the case, the KJV claim and the purple rabbit claim are on a par. Both lacking any concrete distinguishing evidence, they are totally in the realm of speculation and conjecture.

Also it is clear that KJV god is not distinguishable from many new age holistic versions and that I could have picked these new age gods instead with the same result. When the claim made cannot be distinguished from nonsense, the claim has the same informative value as nonsense.