(June 12, 2023 at 12:39 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:(June 12, 2023 at 12:31 pm)R-Farmer Wrote: If show me a home movie of a trip you took with your family to Disney, and you know how it all goes and what will happen next, does it mean you did not have the ability to choose what to do when things were playing out for the first time?
That's an interesting analogy, but it's foreknowledge that limits free will, not hindsight. Could that have done anything on that trip other than what God foresaw they would do?
And if there is no free will?
Nothing in the Bible ever says we have free will. In fact the doctrine of free will was not adopted by the church for several hundred years after the life and ministry of Christ. Jesus and the Apostle Paul (responsible for 2/3s of the NT) both say we are slaves to sin. A slaves will is never free. It is always subject to the will of his master.
We at best have the freedom to choose. Like A serve God and righteousness or B Remain in service to sin and satan. Free will would be the ability to choose a third option C neither serve God nor satan. To be left alone for eternity. or D to just wink out of existence. no pain no hell. But again we do not have these options because we do not have free will but rather the freedom to choose between the options our master has given us.
If you serve God you get to make quite a few more choices than if you serve sin and satan.
