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Ecclesiastes 9:5
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RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5
(August 1, 2023 at 1:51 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:
(August 1, 2023 at 1:12 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: @Bucky Ball If you call me an ignorant amateur, have you published any papers about social sciences? Because I have, most recently about the river names in Croatia, and that paper got mentioned by Glas Slavonije (you can read an English-language summary of that paper on my blog). What qualifications do you have to talk about the matters of social sciences?

It's undeniable that Matthew claimed that the prophets predicted many things in Jesus'es life in the Messianic prophecies, the Gospel of Matthew is full of such claims. What Jews actually believed is another question entirely. You think the Jews didn't believe the Messiah would come? Sounds like a very weird claim. Even more extraordinary than that the authors of the Bible didn't believe in afterlife (when mediums such as the Witch of Endor are being discussed in the Bible).

Social Sciences are totally irrelevant to the topic at hand. 
In fact, your argument here is an example of the Argument from Authority fallacy. (Argumentum ad vericundiam). 
Being an expert in one field does not make you an authority in another. Obviously you're a total amateur here. 

Clearly you have read NOT ONE of the references provided to you. 
But I get it's upsetting to be shown your arguments are worthless. 

Of course the authors of Matthew attempted to made it look like various prophets were "predicting" something. 
The prophets were talking to the people of their OWN time about a totally different subject. They "predicted" NOTHING about a Jesus. Some later erroneously INTERPTREYED them to be about him.  
It was the NEW use of prophesy I already told you about, you might learn about if you ever bother to actually study anything on this topic. 

LONG after the prophets, who intended to warn / speak to the people of their OWN day, around the time of the Essenes, some began to look for "hidden meanings", which were only revealed in full to the head of the Essenes, The Son of Righteousness. Before this, "prediction" was never understood to be a part of prophesy, and that was never understood until the Dead Sea Scrolls were found and read. Prophets *warned* the people of their own time to change their ways OR (the) something bad might happen. If the people changed their ways, it would not happen, and the "prophesy was successful if the people accepted the warning, took it to heart, and changed. A successful prophesy does not come about, as the warning is heeded.

Matthew was addressed to a Hebrew community and his aim was to show that Jesus fulfilled some of the hidden meanings which had NOTHING at all to do with what the prophets were advising. and warning their own people about. The prophets themselves NEVER had an idea that they were "predicting" anything It was not their role. I will not try to defend this I provided JEWISH references, and it's common knowledge in virtually every Biblical Studies Department on the planet, (except Fundamentalist schools, who refuse the truth about just about everything.)

Take some classes. Watch some videos. You might learn something about ancient Hebrew culture and early Christianity.
 
You obviously actually understood nothing I wrote about. The Witch of Endor conjured the (DEAD) shade of Samuel. 
He's not in heaven, or hell. He's (just as I told you) in a dormant state, in Sheol. Obviously you didn't get that either. 

https://academic.oup.com/book/1920/chapt...m=fulltext
Your level of knowledge about these things is very disappointing, and probably not worth my time, teaching you 3rd Grade religion.

Oxford University :
"Christian readers typically misunderstand prophecy in the Bible because they assume that its primary intent is to foretell the future. This chapter shows that the intent of the genre of prophecy in the Hebrew Bible was not primarily to predict the future—certainly not hundreds of years in advance—but rather to address specific social, political, and religious circumstances in ancient Israel and Judah. This means that there is no prediction of Christ in the Hebrew Bible. The writers of the New Testament and later Christian literature reinterpreted or reapplied the Hebrew prophecies.
Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell  Popcorn

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Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by FlatAssembler - July 30, 2023 at 1:30 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 30, 2023 at 1:42 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by arewethereyet - July 30, 2023 at 1:53 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by FlatAssembler - July 30, 2023 at 2:27 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by Belacqua - July 30, 2023 at 11:18 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by Angrboda - July 30, 2023 at 2:40 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by Astreja - July 30, 2023 at 8:49 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by FlatAssembler - August 17, 2023 at 8:30 am
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by Bucky Ball - August 17, 2023 at 12:35 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by arewethereyet - August 17, 2023 at 12:41 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by Astreja - August 17, 2023 at 7:14 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by FlatAssembler - August 17, 2023 at 10:52 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 18, 2023 at 4:23 am
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by FlatAssembler - August 18, 2023 at 8:16 am
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 18, 2023 at 4:49 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by FlatAssembler - August 18, 2023 at 5:06 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by FlatAssembler - July 31, 2023 at 6:45 am
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 31, 2023 at 7:07 am
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by FlatAssembler - July 31, 2023 at 7:37 am
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 31, 2023 at 7:51 am
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by FlatAssembler - July 31, 2023 at 8:47 am
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 31, 2023 at 2:43 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by Belacqua - July 31, 2023 at 9:12 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by Astreja - August 1, 2023 at 7:13 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by Bucky Ball - July 31, 2023 at 10:55 am
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by Bucky Ball - July 31, 2023 at 1:52 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by Bucky Ball - July 31, 2023 at 3:35 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by FlatAssembler - August 1, 2023 at 6:17 am
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by Belacqua - August 1, 2023 at 7:05 am
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by FlatAssembler - August 1, 2023 at 11:01 am
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by Belacqua - August 2, 2023 at 7:13 am
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by FlatAssembler - August 2, 2023 at 2:35 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by Belacqua - August 2, 2023 at 8:00 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by Bucky Ball - August 3, 2023 at 2:06 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by Belacqua - August 3, 2023 at 5:51 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by Bucky Ball - August 3, 2023 at 5:56 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by Belacqua - August 3, 2023 at 6:55 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by Bucky Ball - August 3, 2023 at 7:01 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by Belacqua - August 3, 2023 at 7:13 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by Bucky Ball - August 3, 2023 at 8:12 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by Bucky Ball - August 1, 2023 at 11:12 am
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by Angrboda - August 1, 2023 at 11:21 am
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by Bucky Ball - August 1, 2023 at 11:27 am
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 1, 2023 at 1:11 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by FlatAssembler - August 1, 2023 at 1:12 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by Bucky Ball - August 1, 2023 at 1:51 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by Bucky Ball - August 1, 2023 at 2:10 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by arewethereyet - August 1, 2023 at 1:21 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by The Grand Nudger - August 2, 2023 at 3:08 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by FlatAssembler - August 2, 2023 at 3:45 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by arewethereyet - August 2, 2023 at 3:10 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by FlatAssembler - August 2, 2023 at 3:29 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by arewethereyet - August 2, 2023 at 3:41 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by Bucky Ball - August 2, 2023 at 3:53 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by The Grand Nudger - August 3, 2023 at 10:47 am
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by The Grand Nudger - August 3, 2023 at 2:19 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by Bucky Ball - August 3, 2023 at 2:37 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by The Grand Nudger - August 3, 2023 at 2:58 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by The Grand Nudger - August 3, 2023 at 9:58 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by LinuxGal - August 6, 2023 at 6:09 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by The Grand Nudger - August 3, 2023 at 11:22 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by Bucky Ball - August 4, 2023 at 10:35 am
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by FlatAssembler - August 12, 2023 at 10:08 am
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by Bucky Ball - August 17, 2023 at 3:07 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by Bucky Ball - August 17, 2023 at 5:30 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by arewethereyet - August 18, 2023 at 8:51 am
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by Astreja - August 18, 2023 at 1:02 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by Angrboda - August 18, 2023 at 4:24 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by Bucky Ball - August 18, 2023 at 5:04 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by arewethereyet - August 18, 2023 at 5:15 pm
RE: Ecclesiastes 9:5 - by Angrboda - August 18, 2023 at 10:52 pm



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