Dualism

[Purple Rabbit]

So what do you mean when you make a distinction between evidence and proof if it’s not what seemed obvious to me?

To bring you up to speed.. Dawkins speaks of empirical and non empirical evidence. The history of my discussion with Evie includes exploration of these ideas. So I use the word proof to be more exact. Empirical evidence only. It's clear from the Christian Bible that there is never proof of God. I go as far as saying that this is a signature of God. If we can prove it, then it isn't God. I stand to be corrected on this. So far it's holding true.

I cannot prove that 5 = 6. Can you? Lo and behold, it is the mark of the lord, the mathmatical god has revealed himself through the numbers! His ways are mysterious indeed. Never heard such bullshit in my life, lmao.

We know 5 does not = 6. We can prove 5 = 5. We cannot prove God does not exist. Are you saying what you say is bullshit?

Your knowledge of mathematics is not relevant at all. That you or I think it is bullshit is not relevant at all. We can believe that 5=6. You and I are totally free to do so. You cannnot prove that 5=6, can you? Then this must be the mark of the lord.

tell me which uniquely biblical ‘truth’ (btw: use of that word strongly suggests some claim on absoluteness) has ever helped to gain insight into the nature of our universe, to cure diseases, to better predict earth quakes, to improve building materials, to improve crop results, to establish human rights, to understand the animal kingdom, to abolish slavery, to give women equal rights, to find energy resources, to ease the pain for the dying and the sick? Is it the papal call for abstinence from intercourse over the use of condoms? Choose any of the more than 3000 christian denominations you like to answer this one.

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Are you getting it? Biblical truth doesn't impact on scientific discovery. That's what I think too.

You are misreading here. I am not exclusively comparing science to religion here. I didn't add the equal rights and the slavery thing for nothing.

I thought you were being sloppy, sorry. Do you not know of William Wilberforce?

I asked you to name one uniquely biblical 'truth' that has ever helped to (among other things) abolish slavery. For this purpose it is not enough to name anti-slavery christian thinkers. You will have to show that the anti-slavery idea was a uniquely christian idea. The idea that slave trade is immoral however is not uniquely christian. Humanistic thinkers and other non-christian thinkers condemned slavery long before the religious abolitioners movement gained substantial support. Against your claim there is also ample evidence of condonement of slavery in the OT and a strong case can be made that christianity has been a supporting force in the slave trade. I do not deny that there have been christian anti-slavery thinkers. I do deny that the sole source of this idea is biblical. There is ample evidence that it is not a uniquely biblical moral stance and that in various reliogions and cultures the idea has emerged. Christianity cannot claim to have invented it and humbleness on this point is advised since christianity played a dubious role in the rise of the slave trade.