Lee Strobel?

[Godscreated]

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When I was a Fundamentalist Christian I purchased both "The Case for Faith" and "The Case for Christ". I thought it would be fun. I thought it would help me answer those nagging questions I had always had about Christianity. I was sourly disappointed. His book was just a collection of flimsy arguments that any jr high school student could pick apart. I expected better of him because he, supposedly, was one of the best apologists that the Christian faith had. I read the book sincerely hoping to find solid arguments and real facts. I got neither. The dissapointment was pretty awful.

Strobel and people like him pushed me towards atheism because their inability to debate or provide solid fact led me to seek these things out myself.


In defense of the fundies though, consider that most of them don't know of the existence of any other information that could disprove the Bible and god. Christianity is a closed system. Lee Strobel's books are on the tacitly approved list of books, other books aren't even mentioned. One has to look in places where one would not ordinarily look to find information. Real books that disprove the Bible are almost never mentioned. It's hard to search for a title that you don't even know exists. I had no idea that "The Bible Unearthed" existed until someone on this forum suggested it (I recently bought the book BTW.) On the other hand, I did know about and do possess several books that "prove" the biblical stories.

Also consider availability of books that disprove the Bible. I recently did a library search on atheist books (electronic Kindle edition) in my counties library. Note that my county contains the 4th largest city in the United States (Houston). I found book after book on several different topics on Christianity but no, not one, Richard Dawkins book. I did find a few Hitchens books. I'm thinking about a campaign in my area to flood the county library system with Atheist books.

My point is that there is a serious disproportion even in the public library between available Christian books and available atheist books. This could lead one to believe that not only do atheist books not exist, but also (if they did indeed manage to come across an atheist book) that their argument might not be as valid as that of Christians because there is so little information.

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Blaming others for your unbelief want fly, not before man and especially before God. I've read books that try to disprove christianity and found them to be bias and worded to deceive the readers they hold no truth in them that would serve mankind. The reason there is a disproportion of material is do to the amount of interest in the materials, if people want them they are out there, give people credit they know how to get the books if they want them.

Had I found the answers in Christianity I would not have needed to go elsewhere for answers. As it stands Very few Christians were skilled in debate and were pathetic at providing answers. As for God I would love for him to give me the answers. I'd welcome it. After 30 years this hasn't happened.

The only reason I can see for Christians to have a debate would be over a certain point of theology, not over whether God existed. I think to many christians worry over, "am I wasting my time believing what seems impossible," when they should remember that chritianity is faith, and as Christ has said faith in the unbelievable. It took years for me to understand that to know came through faith, that through faith God will prove himself to faithful believers. Now I have no doubts about the reality of God and the salvation that comes with faith. I have seen God working, doing things in my life that would have been impossible for me to have accomplished on my own, understanding who I am and what I can do and can not do helped me to see what God was doing. God asks us to trust him in faith and he will show us who he is in our lives. That's why Paul continually preached about submitting ourselves to Christ, in that way we would see ourselves as we really are, then we would be able to see God working in and through us, in other words, we would hear God speaking to us through his actions in us.

As for books that disprove Christianity the one's I've read use the scientific method. They use reason and provable facts. Most acknowledge areas where there is lack of knowledge. They also label (usually) areas that are speculative as apposed to proven fact.

It really strikes me funny when people say that someone's used science to disprove the spiritual. Faith and science are like magnets with there poles pointed at each other, they just want come together at least not until the magnets come to understand how they actually work. This is what I meant when I said, if one lives in faith with God that He will prove himself to you by bringing you to a true understanding of yourself.

You are probably right about the supply reflecting the demand. As for me I really wish I had known this information existed a few decades ago. It would have saved me a lot of bullshit.

Could be that God was giving you more time to live out your faith so he could show you that he's real.

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When I was a Fundamentalist Christian I purchased both "The Case for Faith" and "The Case for Christ". I thought it would be fun. I thought it would help me answer those nagging questions I had always had about Christianity. I was sourly disappointed. His book was just a collection of flimsy arguments that any jr high school student could pick apart. I expected better of him because he, supposedly, was one of the best apologists that the Christian faith had. I read the book sincerely hoping to find solid arguments and real facts. I got neither. The dissapointment was pretty awful.

Strobel and people like him pushed me towards atheism because their inability to debate or provide solid fact led me to seek these things out myself.


In defense of the fundies though, consider that most of them don't know of the existence of any other information that could disprove the Bible and god. Christianity is a closed system. Lee Strobel's books are on the tacitly approved list of books, other books aren't even mentioned. One has to look in places where one would not ordinarily look to find information. Real books that disprove the Bible are almost never mentioned. It's hard to search for a title that you don't even know exists. I had no idea that "The Bible Unearthed" existed until someone on this forum suggested it (I recently bought the book BTW.) On the other hand, I did know about and do possess several books that "prove" the biblical stories.

Also consider availability of books that disprove the Bible. I recently did a library search on atheist books (electronic Kindle edition) in my counties library. Note that my county contains the 4th largest city in the United States (Houston). I found book after book on several different topics on Christianity but no, not one, Richard Dawkins book. I did find a few Hitchens books. I'm thinking about a campaign in my area to flood the county library system with Atheist books.

My point is that there is a serious disproportion even in the public library between available Christian books and available atheist books. This could lead one to believe that not only do atheist books not exist, but also (if they did indeed manage to come across an atheist book) that their argument might not be as valid as that of Christians because there is so little information.

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Blaming others for your unbelief want fly, not before man and especially before God. I've read books that try to disprove christianity and found them to be bias and worded to deceive the readers they hold no truth in them that would serve mankind. The reason there is a disproportion of material is do to the amount of interest in the materials, if people want them they are out there, give people credit they know how to get the books if they want them.

Had I found the answers in Christianity I would not have needed to go elsewhere for answers. As it stands Very few Christians were skilled in debate and were pathetic at providing answers. As for God I would love for him to give me the answers. I'd welcome it. After 30 years this hasn't happened.

The only reason I can see for Christians to have a debate would be over a certain point of theology, not over whether God existed. I think to many christians worry over, "am I wasting my time believing what seems impossible," when they should remember that chritianity is faith, and as Christ has said faith in the unbelievable. It took years for me to understand that to know came through faith, that through faith God will prove himself to faithful believers. Now I have no doubts about the reality of God and the salvation that comes with faith. I have seen God working, doing things in my life that would have been impossible for me to have accomplished on my own, understanding who I am and what I can do and can not do helped me to see what God was doing. God asks us to trust him in faith and he will show us who he is in our lives. That's why Paul continually preached about submitting ourselves to Christ, in that way we would see ourselves as we really are, then we would be able to see God working in and through us, in other words, we would hear God speaking to us through his actions in us.

As for books that disprove Christianity the one's I've read use the scientific method. They use reason and provable facts. Most acknowledge areas where there is lack of knowledge. They also label (usually) areas that are speculative as apposed to proven fact.

It really strikes me funny when people say that someone's used science to disprove the spiritual. Faith and science are like magnets with there poles pointed at each other, they just want come together at least not until the magnets come to understand how they actually work. This is what I meant when I said, if one lives in faith with God that He will prove himself to you by bringing you to a true understanding of yourself.

You are probably right about the supply reflecting the demand. As for me I really wish I had known this information existed a few decades ago. It would have saved me a lot of bullshit.

Could be that God was giving you more time to live out your faith so he could show you that he's real.