RE: Argument against atheism
December 18, 2011 at 9:13 pm
(This post was last modified: December 18, 2011 at 9:20 pm by amkerman.)
Rhythm, for the hundredth time... a belief in any sort of objective truth outside of human perception necessitates consciousness as a primary function of the universe. A belief that consciousness as a primary function of the universe would most correctly be termed as a belief in a monotheistic deity. It is illogical to claim that one believes iin any sort of objective morality or truth and also claim that one doesn't believe in "God". Therefor, any belef that some things are inherently good or bad can not exist in a truly atheistic worldview.
I have never claimed or told anyone what to believe, I have never stated that consciousness is infact a primary function of the universe. It seems to me that since humanity and science for the most part agrees that things actually exist and are true and real independent of human perception, consciousness is a primary function of the universe.
Therefore, atheism is incorrect.
It is entirely possible that I am wrong, that consciousness is in fact not a primary function of the universe but rather an emergent function of complex systems such as the brain. If that is the case, however, then things are not inherently good or bad, nothing has any "real" value besides the subjective value that humanity ascribes them. It may be that feelings and morality are purely human constructs and that nothing has any value at all.
If someone has some different analysis or an argument for how objective morality or truth can exist without consciousness I would love to hear it, not to try to insult it, but to come to some deeper understanding of the question.
I haven't shown anyone on here to be holding illogical or contrary beliefs Rythem. I can't. I have never asked anyone what they believe in. I don't really care what anyone believes. All I am doing is making an observation. Many of you are wrongly perceiving that I am somehow attacking atheism.
I have never claimed or told anyone what to believe, I have never stated that consciousness is infact a primary function of the universe. It seems to me that since humanity and science for the most part agrees that things actually exist and are true and real independent of human perception, consciousness is a primary function of the universe.
Therefore, atheism is incorrect.
It is entirely possible that I am wrong, that consciousness is in fact not a primary function of the universe but rather an emergent function of complex systems such as the brain. If that is the case, however, then things are not inherently good or bad, nothing has any "real" value besides the subjective value that humanity ascribes them. It may be that feelings and morality are purely human constructs and that nothing has any value at all.
If someone has some different analysis or an argument for how objective morality or truth can exist without consciousness I would love to hear it, not to try to insult it, but to come to some deeper understanding of the question.
I haven't shown anyone on here to be holding illogical or contrary beliefs Rythem. I can't. I have never asked anyone what they believe in. I don't really care what anyone believes. All I am doing is making an observation. Many of you are wrongly perceiving that I am somehow attacking atheism.
