RE: Agnostic Atheism? Your opinions..
December 19, 2011 at 12:55 pm
(This post was last modified: December 19, 2011 at 12:56 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(December 19, 2011 at 12:24 pm)dtango Wrote: Most probably you are right but it is not the term we are interested about but the act. The Armenian genocide was not the primordial genocide. That one was the one perpetrated (nice word, thanks, at the best I would have used “committed”) by Homo sapiens sapiens who exterminated Neanderthals
You have no evidence for this. We have some remains that show some homo sapiens engaged in conflict with some neanderthals. Entirely unsurprising between competing creatures. No evidence for any genocide whatsoever. Garbage
Quote:I am an atheist who loves the OT.
As regards “real history,” while we are discussing remote pre-history our chances to find real history are better with the OT than with the scholars of history. I am not kidding!
It was only last year that humanity found out that we, modern people were indeed scattered out from the Near East to all over the face of the earth. This fact (that we are hybrids Homo sapiens sapiens – Neanderthal, the product of the interbreeding of the two groups that took place in the Near East) the scientists found out only last year but the story of the Diaspora of the human race was there, recorded in the OT 2700 years ago. You may think that that’s just a coincidence: the Jews, as everybody else, wrote that the humans originated in their own land, but there is more to it. OT mentions one only language, a common language, before the dispersal and that cannot be a coincidence on top of another coincidence (reports from many cultures insist that men spoke one common language initially).
I'm a fan of the narrative in and of itself as well, though not a fan of the concepts described or the way in which they have been leveraged. The OT has not shown itself to be reliable, it has shown itself to be the opposite. So you and I like the story, that doesn't mean that it's accurate, or that there aren't better ways in which to investigate history. There are, and we use them all the time. We were fully modern human beings when we entered the middle east, that's what the evidence says. I don't know why you believe otherwise. You can pile up perceived coincidence all day long and you still won't have anything approaching evidence. It doesn't matter what anyone believes about coincidence. Belief is not evidence, for or against.
Quote:As regards anti-Semitism, I have no such problem. I admire Jews when they deserve it and the same I do for Greeks and any other nation.
It sounds strange to you to hear that the Jews behave like gods because you do not know how the gods behaved. The gods were preoccupied with their racial purity and Jews for millennia have been fighting for their racial purity. I do not live in the States but I know that second generation Greek-Americans can hardly speak Greek. Third generation coming, they are no Greeks any longer, thus honoring the land where they were born and live. Jews would remain Jews after hundreds of generations.
You have no idea how any god acted either, it's absurd to claim that you do. Unless you have evidence? Greeks remain greeks for hundreds of generations, in fact, there's never a point where our ancestry flips the switch. Snapshots in time amigo. Here you are making sweeping negative (by your personal value judgement no less) generalizations about a culture whilst denying the notion that you might be making sweeping and negative generalizations about a culture.......
Quote:In Greek and Norse mythology the giants are killed by the gods. In the OT they are killed by the Jews themselves. The Jews assume the role of the gods and that is because their tradition had been filtered by intellect and made into history.
You have no evidence that these are anything more than stories, and yet you continue to draw conclusions based upon your fantasy.
Quote:Yes, because you insist on the phrase “in the name of the god.” That group of people, which did stop for a few thousand years in the near East producing us and leaving Near East as no Hss any longer but as hybrids themselves too, did not kill “in the name of god” because they were the gods who fashioned us the hybrids.
More fantasy.
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