(December 19, 2011 at 2:40 pm)amkerman Wrote: Jaysyn I can only back up my claims with logical argument. I have presented no facts.
"good" and "bad" are simply labels humans have attached to things by virtue that humans are conscious beings. Without conscious observation, nothing can be inherently "good" or "bad". A belief that in objective reality things are "good" or "bad" necessarily must mean that consciousness is a primary property of the universe. A belief in such would correctly be termed a belief in "God".
I call bullshit on this.
You seem to be suggesting that 'moraity' requires some sort of external arbiter seperate from the society they live in.
yet look at history.
It was ok in the roman era to strangle an unruly child.
The spartans killed any newborn baby that had any defect.
Slaves were kept for thousands of years.
All of the above were not immoral in the societies they took place in.
From these diferences between past and present morailty we can deduce that morality is the product of the times and society and not some external source.
Therefore this argument for god is invalid.
You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.
Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis.
