Argument against atheism

[amkerman]

Rhythm: that is my entire point. You are making my argument for me. A belief that things actually have "meaning" beyond that of human perceptions requres a belief in what would be called "God". We denote whether things "exist" through conscious observation. we are inextricably bound by our own consciousness. To believe that the universe continues to "exist" outside of consciousness denotes that things exist independently of conscious observation. Humanity has never been able to demonstrate that anything exists at all outside of conscious observation, it is the only tool we have to make observations. If consciousness ceases to exist, the universe very may well go on in some form, but there is no tool humanity has to make that observation besides consciousness. For all intensive purposes then, the end of consciousness would necessarily mean the end of existence. If there is nothing to observe the universe, then the universe can't exist. I mean isn't that the stance of a strong atheist? Since there has been no observation of "God", God does not exist?


That was the best response by anyone yet.

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jaysyn: my argument is not an argument for the existence of God, I agree with everything you stated in your response, and I have stated the same many times.

Morality may be a purely subjective construct of complex systems like society. That is the logical belief for atheists to hold rather than an objective morality.

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i meant downbeat plumb not jaysyn