(December 19, 2011 at 4:49 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: Maybe I'm a crazy optimist but I think amkerman might be coming close to a rational position. If we can only get him to stop conflating judgments about things and the things themselves. That seems to be the sticking point.
I agree our new found friend is making headway. Not sure how close he is to a rational position, because he has not coherently expressed his current position yet.
Judgement about things and things themselves are indeed mixed in his utterances, as are the existence of a truth and knowledge of that truth. If he manages to separate those he might be able to construct an actual coherent argument, which we can subsequently discuss.
As a write the above I wonder, are these four distinct things? What, if any, is the relation between a thing and a truth and judgement about a thing and knowledge of a truth? Not to go off on a tangent here, but I can't say these things are completely solidified in my own mind.