RE: Argument against atheism
December 20, 2011 at 2:26 pm
(This post was last modified: December 20, 2011 at 2:28 pm by Darwinning.)
(December 20, 2011 at 1:53 pm)amkerman Wrote: We have ideas about what a rock is, we have ideas for how it is formed or made, we have ideas about the properties of the rock, its density, luster, etc. Those ideas involve how matter is formed from subatomic particles, physics, time, pressure, heat, etc. Apart from this ideas, however, the rock can not exist.
So you believe that reality and truth are constructed of ideas?
(December 20, 2011 at 12:28 pm)Epimethean Wrote: It is the school of idealism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idealism
Wikipedia defines Idealism as ...
Quote:In philosophy, idealism is the family of views which assert that reality, or reality as we can know it, is fundamentally mental, mentally constructed, or otherwise immaterial.
There are of course other schools of thought, so this is perhaps an important assumption to add to your argument. Other people (i.e. me) might no agree, even though we both could not produce any evidence for our claims.
(December 20, 2011 at 1:53 pm)amkerman Wrote: If I believe consciousness is a force or property of the universe rather than an emergent function of complex systems (which is what I believe, but I do not have prrof for, which is why I can not argue for the existence of God)
So you agree that your argument depends on the belief that consciousness is not an emergent property.
If one does not accept that premise (personally, I do not) your argument does not hold water. Correct?
(December 20, 2011 at 2:09 pm)Epimethean Wrote: So you cannot have knowledge of something which is not true?
I think that's what he is contesting. But I do not believe it is central to his argument, so I did not pursue it.