that's just it epimethean: To believe that things are real, but not believe that consciousness is real is illogical. Everything that is observed is observed through the medium of consciousness. So say that the things we perceive with our conscious minds are true but our conscious minds themselves are not is pardoxical.
One can not logically believe that "The sun rises in the East" without believing that perceptions of the sun, that things rise, or that the direction East is (are?) real. If you believe that your perceptions are not real you can not believe that what you observe using your perceptive ability are.
Whether of not the sun actually rises in the East is besides the point. However, in order for the sun to rise in the East there must be a sun, things must be able to rise, and there must be an "East". If the sun does rise in the east in realty, it is necessary that a consiousness is an primary funtion of the universe, as there is no way to perceive a sun rising in the east absent consiousness. It is entirely possible that consiousness is not real apart from how we "feel" things work, but that necessitates a belief that nothing in the universe actually works at all apart from how we subjectively believe theym to. A belief in such is a rejection that anything actually exists outside our own perceptions, it is a rejection of a belief in objective reality.
That rejection is illogical, although rational. That things actually exist is supported by all of scientific observation and human thought. That things exist is scientific fact. The reason that we can believe things exist is because we are conscious. There is no evidence that things don't exist. As such I form the belief that consciousness must be something that exists in the universe independent of my thoughts or ideas about what consciousness is, much like the speed of light.
One can not logically believe that "The sun rises in the East" without believing that perceptions of the sun, that things rise, or that the direction East is (are?) real. If you believe that your perceptions are not real you can not believe that what you observe using your perceptive ability are.
Whether of not the sun actually rises in the East is besides the point. However, in order for the sun to rise in the East there must be a sun, things must be able to rise, and there must be an "East". If the sun does rise in the east in realty, it is necessary that a consiousness is an primary funtion of the universe, as there is no way to perceive a sun rising in the east absent consiousness. It is entirely possible that consiousness is not real apart from how we "feel" things work, but that necessitates a belief that nothing in the universe actually works at all apart from how we subjectively believe theym to. A belief in such is a rejection that anything actually exists outside our own perceptions, it is a rejection of a belief in objective reality.
That rejection is illogical, although rational. That things actually exist is supported by all of scientific observation and human thought. That things exist is scientific fact. The reason that we can believe things exist is because we are conscious. There is no evidence that things don't exist. As such I form the belief that consciousness must be something that exists in the universe independent of my thoughts or ideas about what consciousness is, much like the speed of light.
