(December 20, 2011 at 5:31 pm)Perhaps Wrote: How do you prove that something exists?
You do not prove that things exist, you cannot. Even if you postulate the hell out of consciousness you cannot prove anything exists at all. You can make a credible argument and estimate a probability.
(In practical daily life, I'll say things are true when I am in fact only pretty certain they are; just like everyone else.)
This is not an argument that has one answer, this is a difference of beliefs. You cannot prove anything exists, neither can I.
(December 20, 2011 at 5:31 pm)Perhaps Wrote: I'm very surprised that you would make the statement that things can factually exist without the need to be consciously recognized as being such.
I did not say things existed (at least, I do not recall; if I did, it was erroneous shorthand). I believe things exist. I see no issue believing things exist outside my consciousness without being recognized.