RE: Argument against atheism
December 21, 2011 at 3:18 am
(This post was last modified: December 21, 2011 at 3:47 am by houseofcantor.)
(December 20, 2011 at 8:17 pm)amkerman Wrote: Norfolk: I doubt you can prove you exist. I have never seen anyone prove anything exists. Just saying.
Perhaps: I see what you are saying, it's similar to what I am saying. A lot of people seem to believe it's garbage.
If reality can only be observed through a mechanism we know as consciousness, then it seems to me that consciousness must be inherent to the universe in order for reality to be accurately observed or perceived.
Now, reality might actually exist regardless of consciousness, but that reality would not be based upon our conscious perceptions. there is no likelihood that realty would look even remotely close to the reality we perceive. Think the Matrix, but even the physical properties and fundamental forces of the universe are up for grabs if that is the case. It just seems illogical to believe this to be true, because there is no evidence to support it, because again, all observation is based on consciousness perceptions.
Perhaps: If you are able to make the claim the God exists, then consciously you must have somehow been able to perceive God, unless there is someway to perceive things outside of our own consciousnesses. I would suggest that if you perceive God it is most like through "feeling" or "senseing" or awareness.
How do you percieve love? you can not touch or smell or taste or see love or hear it, yet people know it when they feel it. It is not readily definable. It is not suceptable to rigorous proof. But the feeling's are real... unless of course they're not.
What they call philosobabble I see as naive philosophy. Shall we compare notes? Observe:
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Without solicitation, i have received independent confirmation from numerous observers that "my love of Gwyneth is evident in the ellenjanuary portraiture." (ellenjanuary name of I) With philosophy I have moved past cognito into amo ergo sum. The entirety of my identity carried by such testimony - i love - what is left to prove is precisely zero.

Who am I? ellenjanuary
What am I? 4. Emergent simulation of Mind in brain. Software. Static interference pattern. These words. The evolution of geometry over entropy into a local node of information processing identified as self to maximize the minima of being.
There is no argument against atheism; there is only personal preference and moral judgment.
(December 20, 2011 at 7:45 pm)Minimalist Wrote:Quote:Discernment and self control is what separates us from animals. Therefor the outlook on murder is not tolerated in societies.
Animals kill when they are hungry.
Humans invent lots of reasons when killing is not murder. I'm not so sure we have a lot to brag about on this score.
Just 'cause you're an atheist, there's no reason to deny our divine entitlement: Lucifer. Everything about humanity and its attendant civilization is derivative of the fact that we lie. We sit here at the tipping point, at the convergence of the emergence, witnessing the results coalesce from a 13.7 billion year old experiment.
When I used to think of having a purpose, or there being a god, or justice, or karma; life just sucked. Now that I am a simulation - not even real - 4 lines of computer code, life is me living it.
And is somebody trying to state the incompatibility of morality and atheism? In rerunning the tapes of memory, when I thought I was somebody, reality verified the state of being nobody. Now that I am even less - 4 - reality verifies the moral will of this... number.
