RE: A thing about religious (and other) people and the illusion of free will
November 12, 2023 at 12:43 pm
(November 12, 2023 at 12:19 pm)ShinyCrystals Wrote:(November 12, 2023 at 12:08 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: How do you know that reality outside human reality is "more objective", ... you being a human, (I assume) ?
First you have to define what you're talking about. Then you have to demonstrate that it's true.
Yeah, sorry.
I did say "more" objective, though, more meaning not completely because there are things in the human reality that are true. Many things, in fact.
Still, in terms of being more objective, I meant the reality outside of human reality has many things that, in terms of physical things, can't be refuted. Human reality has things that can't be refuted as well, but the actual reality of the reality outside human reality is different from how humans perceive things in the human reality. What might be perceived as true in the human reality, may not be true in the reality outside of human reality, or in the case of free will, may not exist in the reality outside human reality.
Free will does exist as a thing in the human reality. But does it exist in the reality outside that?
People here believe it does not exist, including me, but even with going by based on what I read here, it may be hard to say that free will does not really exist in the reality outside human reality. I am not sure if there is enough proof to debunk free will yet. There may be some evidence, but still...
So I was just stating a belief, therefore. I am saying this in terms of human reality rather than the one outside of it. Despite what may suggest otherwise, I don't think I was trying to pass off my point of view as a fact.
Can we have 5 examples of each ?
Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell 
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