(July 2, 2009 at 6:47 am)Tiberius Wrote: I dunno, maybe because we want to know where you are coming from? Perhaps because there are so many different types of theist out there, we want to know exactly how much you know, or what category you fit into. For example, are you a creationist or do you accept evolution; these are important questions.
Both questions—where I am coming from and what type of theist I am—were addressed by the answer "orthodox Christianity." As I had said to dagda, by this response "I identified which 'theism' I am coming from." So your apparent dissatisfaction with the answer indicates to me that you actually want to know a bit more than just what type of theist I am. As I had anticipated, you want to know where I stand on specific issues. My question to you (and Darwinian) was, "Why?" That is, why do you want to know where I stand on certain specific issues?
"We want to know exactly how much you know," you said. And that is a very interesting response, isn't it? Because it directly supports my comment about the "pigeon-holing" temptation. For instance, if I had said, "I am a creationist," would that tell you anything at all about how much I know? Of course not. It would tell you nothing whatsoever about how much I know. All it would do is situate me within a certain category, incite relevant prejudices and encourage biased assumptions about what I know—"Oh he's X, so he must believe A, B, and C"—based on nothing more substantive than the label applied and past experiences with people who were, quite frankly, not me.
My advice? If you want to know where I stand on certain issues and how much I know, watch how I respond within discussions about those issues. And evaluate my argument under its own self-contained merits, which accords to the principles of sound reasoning. Take it or leave it, of course. It's just advice.
(July 2, 2009 at 9:08 am)Darwinian Wrote: Or are you aware that your views will affect a negative attitude on an atheist forum?
Completely aware, and looking forward to it. If I wanted only agreeable responses and attitudes, I would not have signed up with an atheist forum. What I am hoping for is rational dialogue based on the principles of sound reasoning. In my experience, these are virtues atheists typically claim to champion and hold dear. Hopefully the atheists found here do too, but empirical evidence will make that determination.
(July 2, 2009 at 9:08 am)Darwinian Wrote: Perhaps you're only here to impose your views upon us and don't wish to engage in any form of exchange. Or maybe you think that as you are a Christian and we are merely atheists you hold some sort of moral superiority over us and, how dare we ask such a question.
Right, because my posts thus far have given you reason to think that.
(July 2, 2009 at 9:08 am)Darwinian Wrote: Come on, you're a theist and we find you fascinating and intriguing and want know how you tick!
And you will, as I participate in various threads. Right?
(July 2, 2009 at 3:33 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: I don't know how you can turn your logic on your atheism. Hmm, well I suppose the "ism" if you subscribe to that, but then I recently decided that, although an atheist, I do not subscribe to atheism.
I said I turned my critical thinking skills on my own "atheistic worldview" in a ruthless self-examination. There certainly are such things as atheistic worldviews, which interpret human experience in godless terms. Atheism is a class of worldviews, not a worldview in itself.
(July 2, 2009 at 3:33 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: I'll say, "Welcome to the forum" but I suspect you'll end up annoying me just like every other theist does.
Briefly, tell me what annoys you about those theists. Like, three examples.
And thank you to everyone who extended me a warm welcome—including you, Pippy.
Man is a rational animal who always loses his temper when
called upon to act in accordance with the dictates of reason.
(Oscar Wilde)
called upon to act in accordance with the dictates of reason.
(Oscar Wilde)