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Dualism
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RE: Dualism
(July 3, 2009 at 12:59 am)fr0d0 Wrote:
(July 2, 2009 at 6:48 pm)Rabbit Wrote:
(July 2, 2009 at 5:41 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: We're not shielding the many rabbit but the singular that covers all major faiths.
What is the ground for this cherry picking?
I'm sticking to my point and not widening it because that wouldn't make sense. Belief in God is an exception to the rule of science that everything requires proof. By definition, belief, or more accurately faith does not. You tried to encompass the entirety of religious observance and add in rationalisation for good measure. That may be your opinion but it's besides the point.
Only limited time to respond before I'm off to work.

That everything requires proof (before it can be claimed to be consistent with reality) is not a rule of science alone but also of plain logic. Otherwise you would have to make clear why empirical proof (is that what you mean with scientific proof??) is special in this regard, for the divide is in the first place an artificial divide made by man in using language. So by shielding of science AND logic you are in the realm of the illogic and the unscientific. It is important that you get this right. The realm we are talking about is the realm of illogic statements, statements not necessarily about our reality, for there are no rules here. Certainly there is no rule that the statements in any way are testable to relate to reality. There is no rule that one statement is consistent with other statements in that realm, because there is no logic in it and there is no testability. There are only unnumerable statements of which some might be true and others might be untrue. Within that realm you faith is a collections of specific belief statements from all the statements that are inthis realm of the illogic and the unscientific. You again provide no clear criterion to pick only certain statements from all possible statements.
(July 3, 2009 at 12:59 am)fr0d0 Wrote:
(July 2, 2009 at 6:48 pm)Rabbit Wrote:
(July 2, 2009 at 5:41 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: We're not shielding the many rabbit but the singular that covers all major faiths.
What is the ground for this cherry picking?
I'm sticking to my point and not widening it because that wouldn't make sense. Belief in God is an exception to the rule of science that everything requires proof. By definition, belief, or more accurately faith does not. You tried to encompass the entirety of religious observance and add in rationalisation for good measure. That may be your opinion but it's besides the point.
The thing is that I have asked you repeatedly now to make clear why belief in god is an exception to the rule. Again you provide no argument other than 'widening the claim would make no sense'. This is diversion from the question asked. I did not ask you to widen the claim that belief in god makes sense to other statements in this realm of untestable illogic statements make sense. I asked the question about why you claim that belief in god makes sense (i.e. has any meaning or truth about reality to it)? Please answer the question asked.
Why does faith have to be an exception? Please answer that question for me.
"I'm like a rabbit suddenly trapped, in the blinding headlights of vacuous crap" - Tim Minchin in "Storm"
Christianity is perfect bullshit, christians are not - Purple Rabbit, honouring CS Lewis
Faith is illogical - fr0d0
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Dualism - by Tabby - June 13, 2009 at 9:37 pm
RE: Dualism - by Edwardo Piet - June 13, 2009 at 10:02 pm
RE: Dualism - by LEDO - June 14, 2009 at 6:19 am
RE: Dualism - by Tabby - June 14, 2009 at 2:12 pm
RE: Dualism - by Edwardo Piet - June 14, 2009 at 9:05 am
RE: Dualism - by Darwinian - June 14, 2009 at 9:25 am
RE: Dualism - by Edwardo Piet - June 14, 2009 at 1:09 pm
RE: Dualism - by Demonaura - June 14, 2009 at 10:41 am
RE: Dualism - by dagda - June 14, 2009 at 1:39 pm
RE: Dualism - by Kyuuketsuki - June 14, 2009 at 3:47 pm
RE: Dualism - by Edwardo Piet - June 14, 2009 at 8:37 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - June 23, 2009 at 3:06 am
RE: Dualism - by moleque - June 15, 2009 at 4:32 am
RE: Dualism - by dagda - June 15, 2009 at 12:47 pm
RE: Dualism - by Edwardo Piet - June 15, 2009 at 5:20 pm
RE: Dualism - by dagda - June 16, 2009 at 4:06 pm
RE: Dualism - by Kyuuketsuki - June 16, 2009 at 5:10 pm
RE: Dualism - by Tiberius - June 17, 2009 at 4:22 pm
RE: Dualism - by josef rosenkranz - June 20, 2009 at 12:14 pm
RE: Dualism - by LEDO - June 20, 2009 at 4:45 pm
RE: Dualism - by josef rosenkranz - June 22, 2009 at 12:35 pm
RE: Dualism - by LEDO - June 22, 2009 at 4:57 pm
RE: Dualism - by Edwardo Piet - June 23, 2009 at 12:41 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - June 25, 2009 at 4:00 pm
RE: Dualism - by Edwardo Piet - June 25, 2009 at 6:32 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - June 25, 2009 at 6:56 pm
RE: Dualism - by Edwardo Piet - June 25, 2009 at 7:15 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - June 25, 2009 at 7:39 pm
RE: Dualism - by Edwardo Piet - June 25, 2009 at 11:01 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - June 26, 2009 at 3:15 am
RE: Dualism - by Eilonnwy - June 26, 2009 at 9:11 am
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - June 26, 2009 at 3:01 pm
RE: Dualism - by Eilonnwy - June 26, 2009 at 3:21 pm
RE: Dualism - by Edwardo Piet - June 26, 2009 at 3:21 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - June 26, 2009 at 3:49 pm
RE: Dualism - by Kyuuketsuki - June 26, 2009 at 4:57 pm
RE: Dualism - by Edwardo Piet - June 26, 2009 at 3:56 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - June 26, 2009 at 4:04 pm
RE: Dualism - by Edwardo Piet - June 26, 2009 at 4:17 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - June 26, 2009 at 4:35 pm
RE: Dualism - by Edwardo Piet - June 26, 2009 at 5:41 pm
RE: Dualism - by LukeMC - June 26, 2009 at 5:33 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - June 26, 2009 at 7:00 pm
RE: Dualism - by LukeMC - June 26, 2009 at 7:55 pm
RE: Dualism - by Kyuuketsuki - June 27, 2009 at 12:43 pm
RE: Dualism - by Edwardo Piet - June 26, 2009 at 7:19 pm
RE: Dualism - by Edwardo Piet - June 26, 2009 at 8:20 pm
RE: Dualism - by LukeMC - June 26, 2009 at 8:52 pm
RE: Dualism - by Eilonnwy - June 26, 2009 at 9:03 pm
RE: Dualism - by leo-rcc - June 27, 2009 at 2:54 am
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - June 27, 2009 at 3:18 pm
RE: Dualism - by Edwardo Piet - June 27, 2009 at 4:04 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - June 27, 2009 at 5:00 pm
RE: Dualism - by Kyuuketsuki - June 27, 2009 at 6:00 pm
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - June 28, 2009 at 3:32 am
RE: Dualism - by Kyuuketsuki - June 27, 2009 at 4:23 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - June 27, 2009 at 6:05 pm
RE: Dualism - by Kyuuketsuki - June 28, 2009 at 6:09 am
RE: Dualism - by Eilonnwy - June 28, 2009 at 12:38 am
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - June 28, 2009 at 4:16 am
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - June 28, 2009 at 3:04 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - June 28, 2009 at 4:28 pm
RE: Dualism - by Kyuuketsuki - June 28, 2009 at 5:42 pm
RE: Dualism - by g-mark - June 28, 2009 at 10:59 am
RE: Dualism - by Edwardo Piet - June 28, 2009 at 3:48 pm
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - June 28, 2009 at 6:16 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - June 28, 2009 at 6:50 pm
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - June 29, 2009 at 1:12 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - June 29, 2009 at 4:47 pm
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - June 29, 2009 at 6:24 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - June 30, 2009 at 3:32 pm
RE: Dualism - by Kyuuketsuki - June 30, 2009 at 3:42 pm
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - June 30, 2009 at 5:23 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - July 1, 2009 at 3:53 am
RE: Dualism - by Kyuuketsuki - July 2, 2009 at 4:14 pm
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - June 30, 2009 at 5:53 pm
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - June 30, 2009 at 6:53 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - June 30, 2009 at 3:53 pm
RE: Dualism - by Kyuuketsuki - June 30, 2009 at 5:28 pm
RE: Dualism - by Giff - July 1, 2009 at 8:43 am
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - July 1, 2009 at 6:28 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - July 2, 2009 at 12:59 pm
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - July 2, 2009 at 1:23 pm
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - July 2, 2009 at 5:15 pm
RE: Dualism - by Tiberius - July 1, 2009 at 9:23 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - July 2, 2009 at 1:32 pm
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - July 2, 2009 at 1:43 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - July 2, 2009 at 5:41 pm
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - July 2, 2009 at 6:48 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - July 3, 2009 at 12:59 am
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - July 3, 2009 at 1:34 am
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - July 3, 2009 at 11:58 am
RE: Dualism - by josef rosenkranz - July 3, 2009 at 1:10 pm
RE: Dualism - by Edwardo Piet - July 2, 2009 at 6:04 pm
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - July 4, 2009 at 2:49 am
RE: Dualism - by josef rosenkranz - July 5, 2009 at 1:14 pm
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - July 5, 2009 at 1:40 pm
RE: Dualism - by josef rosenkranz - July 6, 2009 at 12:12 pm
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - July 6, 2009 at 12:25 pm
RE: Dualism - by Darwinian - July 4, 2009 at 6:19 am
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - July 4, 2009 at 6:39 am
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - July 5, 2009 at 4:13 pm
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - July 5, 2009 at 5:43 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - July 5, 2009 at 6:17 pm
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - July 5, 2009 at 6:48 pm
RE: Dualism - by Kyuuketsuki - July 6, 2009 at 2:23 pm
RE: Dualism - by josef rosenkranz - July 7, 2009 at 12:16 pm
RE: Dualism - by josef rosenkranz - July 6, 2009 at 1:06 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - July 6, 2009 at 2:52 am
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - July 6, 2009 at 11:49 am
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - July 6, 2009 at 2:01 pm
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - July 6, 2009 at 3:07 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - July 6, 2009 at 4:02 pm
RE: Dualism - by Kyuuketsuki - July 6, 2009 at 4:31 pm
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - July 6, 2009 at 4:19 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - July 6, 2009 at 4:49 pm
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - July 6, 2009 at 4:52 pm
RE: Dualism - by Kyuuketsuki - July 6, 2009 at 5:01 pm
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - July 6, 2009 at 5:04 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - July 6, 2009 at 5:06 pm
RE: Dualism - by Kyuuketsuki - July 6, 2009 at 5:36 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - July 6, 2009 at 5:50 pm
RE: Dualism - by Kyuuketsuki - July 7, 2009 at 1:55 am
RE: Dualism - by Darwinian - July 7, 2009 at 2:10 am
RE: Dualism - by Kyuuketsuki - July 7, 2009 at 1:59 pm
RE: Dualism - by josef rosenkranz - July 8, 2009 at 1:11 pm
RE: Dualism - by Kyuuketsuki - July 8, 2009 at 2:49 pm
RE: Dualism - by josef rosenkranz - July 10, 2009 at 12:49 pm
RE: Dualism - by Kyuuketsuki - July 11, 2009 at 4:35 pm
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - July 6, 2009 at 6:03 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - July 7, 2009 at 3:44 am
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - July 7, 2009 at 1:17 pm
RE: Dualism - by fr0d0 - July 7, 2009 at 2:29 pm
RE: Dualism - by Purple Rabbit - July 7, 2009 at 2:54 pm

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