RE: So you believe in evolution..
December 23, 2011 at 10:24 am
(This post was last modified: December 23, 2011 at 10:25 am by power.)
(December 23, 2011 at 10:11 am)Darwinning Wrote:(December 23, 2011 at 9:55 am)power Wrote: Sadly, many atheists I meet don't even know what micro and macro evolution is, or think creationists made it up.
We are not those atheists. Trust us.
(December 23, 2011 at 9:55 am)power Wrote: Everything posted until now fails to even address my main points.
Apart from the frequently linked article confusingly titled "29+ Evidences for Macroevolution - The Scientific Case for Common Descent" which states in it's introduction:
Quote:This article directly addresses the scientific evidence in favor of common descent and macroevolution. This article is specifically intended for those who are scientifically minded but, for one reason or another, have come to believe that macroevolutionary theory explains little, makes few or no testable predictions, is unfalsifiable, or has not been scientifically demonstrated.
Did you read that part?
(December 23, 2011 at 10:05 am)power Wrote:(December 23, 2011 at 9:49 am)Darwinning Wrote:(December 23, 2011 at 9:46 am)power Wrote: because nearly half of biologists believe in a personal God who answers prayers.
[citation needed]
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/23/nation...nted=print
So when you said "nearly half of biologists believe in a personal God who answers prayers" you were referring to the below?
(Emphasis mine.)
Quote:According to a much-discussed survey reported in the journal Nature in 1997, 40 percent of biologists, physicists and mathematicians said they believed in God - and not just a nonspecific transcendental presence but, as the survey put it, a God to whom one may pray "in expectation of receiving an answer."
The survey, by Edward J. Larson of the University of Georgia, was intended to replicate one conducted in 1914, and the results were virtually unchanged. In both cases, participants were drawn from a directory of American scientists.
Others play down those results. They note that when Dr. Larson put part of the same survey to "leading scientists" - in this case, members of the National Academy of Sciences, perhaps the nation's most eminent scientific organization - fewer than 10 percent professed belief in a personal God or human immortality.
http://pewforum.org/Science-and-Bioethic...elief.aspx
(December 23, 2011 at 10:21 am)Rhythm Wrote: Just Wow.
-Argument from incredulity. I can't believe evolution happened.
-Argument from ignorance. I don't understand evolution as evidenced by my explanation of why I don't believe in evolution, and why it didn't happen.
-Argument from authority. Smart people agree with me.
-Argument ad naus. I'm going to repeat these claims as I'm incapable of actually defending them, I just like the way they sound.
You know what grinds my gears here? Arguing against evolution is arguing against a simple observation that anyone with a shovel can make. You should stick to the theoretical bit if you're going to argue anything at all. How did the observed change occur?
Hi Rhythm, how about you just give me a good argument which supports macro evolution. It would be nice if at least one person here could do that..
Of all choices, atheism requires the greatest faith, as it demands that ones limited store of human knowledge is sufficient to exclude the possibility of God.
Francis Collins
Human Genome Project
Francis Collins
Human Genome Project