(March 2, 2024 at 8:36 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Islam Lite?
(March 3, 2024 at 11:41 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: @Leonardo17
Quote:Political Islamists + authoritarian regimes love displaying new weapons. In Freudian terms this is like their “penis” issues.
Simply because a regime puts on military displays doesn’t make it authoritarian.
Informed people don’t take Freud seriously.
Boru
Sorry, I wanted to say that this Kaan Airplane was a result of continued investments into modern aviation technologies since the Year 1925. And this locally produced fighter jet has been the holy grail of our aviation industries for decades. So this is like a dream coming true.
(I don’t know why I said “Avionics” – But it’s true that we are not so bad in that either)
So here is a picture of the founder of our republic with our actual first locally built airplane (a glider airplane) dated to 1933. (I could go on and on with the distortions of political islamist propaganda). One of is devices was: "The future is in the skies"
On Freudian issues:
As far as I know of, most democracies are not that interested in things like military parades etc. If I am correct it was Mr. Donald Trump who wanted to introduce them in America during his mandate. The French do it in the 14th of July. We used to do it on special days (like October 29th – The anniversary of the declaration of the Republic). But in these events the goal is not really to intimidate anyone or try to scare neighboring countries. It’s just a part of the show.
Anyway: My argument is that authoritarian / populist elements in any geography and in any form, like to intimidate people with their weapon. And they also like to take the things that were done thanks to decades of works before them and say: “See what I did? See what I did?”
And this takes us to the title of this thread: President Erdogan is claiming to be a “moderate” political Islamist or more of a typical / classical conservative-democratic ruler. To this I will answer that people are going to the polls in places like Syria and Russia too.
So I’m defining a pattern. A typical democratic ruler may not always show up with things like “look I built an airplane”, “Hey look, I sent a man to space”. Usually they are less visible but informed people in the country know in their hearts that this man (or woman) did produce a great deal of efforts for his/her citizens.
Here is a quote from the Dao de Ching:
“The best rulers are scarcely known by their subjects;
The next best are loved and praised;
The next are feared;
The next despised:
They have no faith in their people,
And their people become unfaithful to them.
When the best rulers achieve their purpose
Their subjects claim the achievement as their own.”
So I don’t know if you are getting my sense of humor in the video but what I am trying to say is that (and that works for many of us) Him and all other populist / nationalistic / political İslamist are usually in the fourth category.
And I am saying this as a rather patriotic non-atheistic person