(May 20, 2024 at 6:02 am)h311inac311 Wrote: The point I was making is that Jesus' crucifixion should've been the end of his ministry. Even the disciples themselves were discouraged by it. They returned to their day jobs because from every angle it appeared as though their messiah was a fraud. That's how most people of that time would've interpreted Jesus' death. Gods don't bleed, how could someone who claimed to be the son of God be overcome by his enemies? If Jesus really was crucified then not only would the disciples have given up on him, so would everyone else. He would've gone down in history as a false messiah.Jesus' crucifixion was the end of the historical jesus ministry. What you know today as christianity wasn't his invention. That would be Paul.
The reason why Muslims sacrifice their own lives for Allah is because their beliefs are sincere.
The fact that most of the early apostles proved that they were willing to die for their faith does add something to the veracity of their claims. Will people die for something that they know to be a lie? Some of these apostles claimed to have traveled with Christ and watched him as he performed miracles. And for some reason all of these witnesses, when isolated, when facing certain death; were still willing to testify to the end that Jesus is the Truth. Even if denying him meant saving their own skin. How many other religions can say that about their earliest proponents?
Of course you are always free to say, "but that doesn't mean that its true." With regards to ancient history you will always have that luxury. All I'm pointing out is that there is plenty of good evidence to support the message of the Gospel.
You claim that Jesus did not rise again, what do you base that on?
I'm reminding you that the historical jesus didn't rise from the grave. That would be christ. Religion, not history. If you wanted to talk about christ that's cool, but christ and historical jesus are not the same character...and if you're referring to what you think is good evidence for the historical jesus as though it were evidence for christ, you're simply mistaken.
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