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The World's Transition to Renewable Energies
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RE: The World's Transition to Renewable Energies
(May 29, 2024 at 7:12 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Biden does not now and has never supported the green new deal.  He has, additionally, elected to continue some trump trade tariffs, yes.

I suppose we could buy chinese solar and deploy it - but that would be rewarding the unfair trade practices and human rights abuse that the us and europe allege has caused this issue in the first place.  Section 307 of the same trade act used to structure the tariffs makes importing the products of forced labor a tough sell.  There used to be an exception for such products, if we could find no domestic suppliers or the domestic supply was insufficient to meet demand.... but that was removed in 2015.  

104-122f is the limit - and we start getting sick and dying well before that.  It's going to get hotter before it gets cooler even if we stopped all fossil fuel use this very minute.  We don't just need a green new deal, we need a disaster plan to keep us afloat while we do any green new deal.  In the us, we're removing heat protections for labor, and we didn't have much of that to start with.

I was arguing that we could protect all local green energy device producers by creating some sort of international fund to simply buy all these solar cells and place them in countries who cannot afford a green energy transition. Countries like South Africa, Pakistan, India are relying mainly on Coal and Hydro-electrical Power. India is promising net-zero by 2075. Mainly they are saying that they don’t have the means to do it sooner. So they could pay like 50%, the rest belonging to some international fund, and in a decade or so, the third greatest polluter of the world is rectified to a better track Smile
 
And I am saying this because without the Himalayan Glaciers, India might become one of the Worlds less populated regions by the end of this century Smile
 

Quote:“The so called "climate emergency" is a fucking lie. The earth's climate has always changed, and always will, regardless of what we do. As long as China and India continue doing what they've doing to pollute their own air, nothing will improve, even if we did find some magical way to produce energy without polluting the air. Say, something like nuclear energy?”

 
You can tell that to people who do not have a home:
 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/dangerous-hea...04480.html
 
I am hearing that water is being given to these people in places like Phoenix or Los-Angeles. What I am observing in my own city is that in the city center (I live a little outside from the City center), but in places with a lot of concrete and few green areas the asphalt is holding the heat it accumulated in daytime. So even at 2/3 o’clock in the morning you have this uncomfortable heat that is still present as if it was still daytime.
 
So we need to have places to put these people during extreme heatwaves.
 
- That’s until our crops and flocks start dying because of extreme heat and our rivers turn into seasonal water streams because we are unable to AC them of course. Smile
 
/ I’ve never been categorically opposed to nuclear energy. But (like with these Chinese panels) Green energy is cheaper, easier to deploy and a more realistic answer in a state of climate emergency. Nuclear energy is a more long-term type of energy. A nuclear Plant is constructed within 15 years or so and it requires a lot of planning in the long term.
 
Solar panels are so cheap that the brits are using them as fences. So if we were to plan things more carefully, we could still avoid the greater part of the disaster (and you could still say it was a lie to begin with) Smile
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RE: The World's Transition to Renewable Energies - by Leonardo17 - June 6, 2024 at 5:11 pm



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