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Okay, thank you for suggesting this venue. Hope it will run well.
I'm happy to give my opinion in here of course.
First question is about the blind people that came to Muhammad peace be upon him.
This is Surah Abasa verse 1-12, the translation of the verses that depict the Muhammad peace be upon him situation is as follows:
Those verses revealed to Muhammad peace be upon him. Simply Muhammad taught Islam to some noble tribes polytheist figures at that time. But some ordinary blind person interrupt, the prophet didn’t give attention. So, Allah warned him. If Muhammad peace be upon him wrote those verses by himself, why did he embarrassing himself to public?
Second topic is about what is likely be the causing of the emerging of religion. Well, if I conclude you said that it actually came from:
1. the curiosity of human (by them saying what makes the thunder, rain, etc)
2. the miseries of the people
Actually, it came from the assumption that the fundamental stuff is matter that can produce living creatures. While it didn’t support by any evidence in empirical reality. Logically, if we want to conclude that there were really no God, there should be no conversation of “God stuff” discovered since the human life. Why did early human fabricated or made the sophisticated thing about God that is powerful and omniscient, while they just face and understood their seen reality and can run their daily life (i.e by making simple tools for hunt, fire for cook, etc) without some divinity help?
You belief that the knowledge of humans must be developed from simple form to the sophisticated form, I guess. So, if someone just life on earth for the first time, I would think that they just face the reality, no time to contemplate about what "behind" things, because they just think simple. Whatever phenomena they deal with, that is what they overcome it. They face thunder that so frightening, so they just hiding and cover their ears. I they face raining, they will take shelter. These were what would they do because they had simple thinking.
Someone still argue that their misery in life made them make that God’s thing. Okay, if there were really no God, they must be just sad, mad, or fear, without referring their emotions for the supranatural thing. If you believe that early human must be less educated in science than modern human now, they will just have negative emotions without crafting some story of supranatural thing that required more intelligence to did that.
The fact is, the discoveries of artifacts always found that human always did many things with God’s stuff. I quoted article from Britannica Encyclopedia :”As far as scholars have discovered, there has never existed any people, anywhere, at any time, who were not in some sense religious”
If the theory of "human made their own God" is true and inline with the theory of evolution, it must be in early time in human life, that they didn't refer all the phenomena they faced to the supranatural thing. And later at some time, when their brain developed, they made that supranatural thing and created their own religion. But the discoveries proved otherwise.
Third topic is about my assessment on fundamental stuff. I need to clarify, in that post, I already assumed that those possibilities are “the final basic origin of universe” which atheist and theist stand at. And I can say, if you still investigate what is behind my fundamental stuff, it would be unfair. I’m also not asking you: who was made that fundamental matter/s? Because it’s logically inappropriate question.
And for your third possibility, I'm not going to ask what is behind it again. I just assess by observed nature: there were no example in nature that printer can produce living creatures.
Okay, thank you for suggesting this venue. Hope it will run well.
I'm happy to give my opinion in here of course.
First question is about the blind people that came to Muhammad peace be upon him.
This is Surah Abasa verse 1-12, the translation of the verses that depict the Muhammad peace be upon him situation is as follows:
1.He frowned and turned ˹his attention˺ away, 2. ˹simply˺ because the blind man came to him ˹interrupting˺, 3. You never know ˹O Prophet˺, perhaps he may be purified, 4. or he may be mindful, benefitting from the reminder. 5. As for the one who was indifferent, 6. you gave him your ˹undivided˺ attention, 7. even though you are not to blame if he would not be purified. 8. But as for the one who came to you, eager ˹to learn˺, 9. being in awe ˹of Allah˺,10. you were inattentive to him. 11. But no! This ˹revelation˺ is truly a reminder. 12. So let whoever wills be mindful of it.
Second topic is about what is likely be the causing of the emerging of religion. Well, if I conclude you said that it actually came from:
1. the curiosity of human (by them saying what makes the thunder, rain, etc)
2. the miseries of the people
Actually, it came from the assumption that the fundamental stuff is matter that can produce living creatures. While it didn’t support by any evidence in empirical reality. Logically, if we want to conclude that there were really no God, there should be no conversation of “God stuff” discovered since the human life. Why did early human fabricated or made the sophisticated thing about God that is powerful and omniscient, while they just face and understood their seen reality and can run their daily life (i.e by making simple tools for hunt, fire for cook, etc) without some divinity help?
You belief that the knowledge of humans must be developed from simple form to the sophisticated form, I guess. So, if someone just life on earth for the first time, I would think that they just face the reality, no time to contemplate about what "behind" things, because they just think simple. Whatever phenomena they deal with, that is what they overcome it. They face thunder that so frightening, so they just hiding and cover their ears. I they face raining, they will take shelter. These were what would they do because they had simple thinking.
Someone still argue that their misery in life made them make that God’s thing. Okay, if there were really no God, they must be just sad, mad, or fear, without referring their emotions for the supranatural thing. If you believe that early human must be less educated in science than modern human now, they will just have negative emotions without crafting some story of supranatural thing that required more intelligence to did that.
The fact is, the discoveries of artifacts always found that human always did many things with God’s stuff. I quoted article from Britannica Encyclopedia :”As far as scholars have discovered, there has never existed any people, anywhere, at any time, who were not in some sense religious”
If the theory of "human made their own God" is true and inline with the theory of evolution, it must be in early time in human life, that they didn't refer all the phenomena they faced to the supranatural thing. And later at some time, when their brain developed, they made that supranatural thing and created their own religion. But the discoveries proved otherwise.
Third topic is about my assessment on fundamental stuff. I need to clarify, in that post, I already assumed that those possibilities are “the final basic origin of universe” which atheist and theist stand at. And I can say, if you still investigate what is behind my fundamental stuff, it would be unfair. I’m also not asking you: who was made that fundamental matter/s? Because it’s logically inappropriate question.
And for your third possibility, I'm not going to ask what is behind it again. I just assess by observed nature: there were no example in nature that printer can produce living creatures.
