(July 13, 2024 at 12:55 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Few things to consider. Firstly, were not sure it makes sense to say things like "got his consciousness". This imports superstitious ideas about the bestowal of some trait or attribute...and in full, all at once, no less... but there's nothing in evidence to back that up and everything in evidence argues against it. Fantastically and informatively so in the case of hss..us, and the very claims you make. Secondly, human beings are curious and creative. We discover and learn and do things our parents never conceived of. Like islam.......for example....Well, some scientists and atheists of course not sure whether the consciousness was "drop of" from agency or not. And theist always sure that it was "drop of" from God. The problem is we just can't see it.
We find a point of agreement here. I also don't think that proto-religions or full blown religions or contemporary religions have to manufacture transcendental experience. They do appear to manufacture gods, though, and that process is very much in evidence in the archeological record, the historic record, and continues to be with us in the present day. It's not like you believe in all of those other gods..right? What are they if not manufactured? Why do we keep creating gods, and the wrong gods, from your pov? Don't you think it -might- be in service of some need, rightly or wrongly? Can you see that even if people do have their parents gods to refer to, they still go ahead and make their own?
Do you believe that your god is actually the god of your parents, or do you have your own opinions about it?
In Islam, anyone could actually seek and observed how the consciousness was there. All people are encouraged to observe the nature. The difference is the POV. Muslim, when they find the discoveries, said that "those are the way God did with some nature phenomena". But atheist rather post an absurd stand which is : "That's the way nature did, so there is no God".
About consciousness, why scientist not tried to put a camera in the womb of some animal, let's say elephant, and see how the consciousness happened for the first time in her baby?
About "the God things", I accept it of course from my parents from the first time. But as time continue, I started to think by myself, how it was makes sense to me. The result is yes, Islam is makes sense, and it came true from God.
