To All.
About the impossibility for such phenomena.
It’s normal to say impossible for everything we observed that we couldn’t possibly explained such phenomenon with normal and usual theory. That’s the way science works. So, the absurdity is elastic and relative term based on the point of view of the scientist. For example scientist can not use Newton theory to explained the movement in stars and planet scale in universe. They need another factor that can be used to explain. So they use Einstein’s theory to explain that.
Continue here:
In this case, we normally know that language and literature were made by human. This is because we just see the fact that it all were made by human as far as we know. But there were so many texts that considered to be odd, because it contains prophecies that are true, science that human has yet know today, and so on. It’s not only Al Quran actually having those characteristics. Some books of other religion contains those aspect as well.
For example, about prophecies that are true:
In the Bible the name of coming prophet of Muhammad was mentioned by name:
1. The Bible
a. In the Song of Solomon 5:16
The Hebrew original text:
hikvō mamətaqqîm vəkullvō mahămadîm zeh dwōdî vəzeh rē‘î bənwōt yərûšālāim
“His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mahammadim. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem”
Note: Part of text that I gave italic on it is translated in English Bible as “altogether lovely”. While the correct one is must be not changed and still “Mahammad” or Muhammad. Because it was the name of the person as hebrew language depicting. Hebrew people, when they want to give homage to an honoured person, they just ad suffix “im”. If you try to find in the google translate, the original written of “mahămadîm”, which is מוחמד, would be translated at Muhammad.
b. Gospel of Barnabas
“The disciples answered: O Master, who shall that man be of whom you speak, who shall come into the world? Jesus answered with joy of heart: He is Muhammad; Messenger of God, and when he comes into the world, even as the rain makes the earth to bear fruit when for a long time it has not rained, even so shall he be occasion of good works among men, through the abundant mercy which he shall bring. For he is a white cloud full of the mercy of God, which mercy God shall sprinkle upon the faithful like rain.” (The Gospel of Barnabas:163)
It is a fact that the Trinitarian church has done its utmost to dismissing all existing copies of the Gospel of Barnabas and to either hide it from the masses or to label it a forgery.
In The Hindu Scripture, the name of Muhammad (basically, the name Ahmad/Muhammad means “the praised one”) also prophecied even with his characteristics.
According to Bhavishya Purana in the Prati Sarag Parv III Khand 3 Adhay 3 Shloka 5 to 8:
“A malecha (belonging to a foreign country and speaking a foreign language) spiritual teacher will appear with his companions. His name will be Muhamad. Raja (Bhoj) after giving this Maha Dev Arab (of angelic disposition) a bath in the Panchgavya and the Ganga water (i.e. purifying him of all sins) offered him the present of his sincere devotion and showing him all reverence said, “I make obeisance to thee. O ye! The pride of mankind, the dweller in Arabia, Ye have collected a great force to kill the Devil and you yourself have been protected from the malecha opponents.”
In the Kuntap Suktas i.e. in Atharvaveda book 20 Hymn 127:
1. Mantra1
He is Narashansah or the praised one (Muhammad). He is Kaurama: the prince of peace or the emigrant, who is safe, even amongst a host of 60,090 enemies.
2. Mantra2
He is a camel-riding Rishi, whose chariot touches the heaven.
Those prophecies clearly depicting Muhammad with his characteristics in Islam history.
Then as an open minded human, I also accept that some contents passages in the other scripture must be came from God as well, not exclusively for Quran only. But the difference is the other scripture proved to be fabricated at some of their passages. This is the evidence:
I quoted from Wikipedia in the entry of “Trinity”:
“Modern Biblical scholarship largely agrees that 1 John 5:7 seen in Latin and Greek texts after the 4th century and found in later translations such as the King James Translation, cannot be found in the oldest Greek and Latin texts. Verse 7 is known as the Johannine Comma, which most scholars agree to be a later addition by a later copyist or what is termed a textual gloss and not part of the original text. This verse reads:
Because there are three in Heaven that testify – the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit – and these three are one.
This verse is absent from the Ethiopic, Aramaic, Syriac, Slavic, early Armenian, Georgian, and Arabic translations of the Greek New Testament. It is primarily found in Latin manuscripts, although a minority of Greek, Slavonic and late Armenian manuscripts contain it.”
As long as time goes, scientist never found the similar case thing in Al Quran. The style of Quran is not like “groups of theologians adding their tought to the God’s way”. But it was revealed to Muhammad peace be upon him words by words and gradually, through Angel Gabriel. There were no evidence that Quran was fabricated in some time in the past. That’s why I demand you to give evidence of “the crafted of Quran” because it would be fair and the debate would go academically.
All that I found thus support my proposition that some texts was indeed impossible made by human. Note that the term “impossible” here is neutral, objective, and depicting the reality.
So the proposition “all literature possibly made by human” proved to be wrong. Because there were exceptions in reality.
FYI, there was one researcher namely Professor Angelika Neuwirth, Germany non muslim, expert in Islamic studies, once said this when researching about Quran:
“Poetry by virtue of its cache of panegyrics of particular tribes, lampoons of others has been labeled the Dewan al Arab, the archive of the Arabs. The realm of ideas put forward by these texts is however limited to their particular milieu which can be captured through an equally limited scope of literary genres. The narrative to report heroic tales, the panegyric employed poetical sections extolling the poets tribe “fakhr” and the descriptive in the middle part of the Qasida which depicts the poets Camel of his itinerary through the desert.”
“Most of the rock inscriptions.. are extremely short and mostly dedicated to private, ephemeral issues. Important to note, is the almost total absence of discursive speech. There are no theological, legal, or cultic debates in pre islamic poetry. Indeed little theoretical thinking can be traced. If we do not concede one important exception. The “dhikr al athlaal” section, the lament on the deserted encampments. There is arguably a serious philosophical interst lurking in the naseeb: the introductory part of Qasida.”
“The Naseeb, which often starts with the athlaal motif, the poets nostalgic lament on the side of the ruined encampment where he remembers a happy past in the company of his friends and his mistress. The naseeb is uniquely open to poetical introspection. It invites reflections on the transitoriness of emotional fulfillment and moreover on the futility of human life as such”.
“It is a striking fact then that the Quran appears seemingly out of the void as a full fledged discursive text extensive in range and replete with theological and philosophical queries.”
“This observation has been vexing western scholars for generations. The Quran surprising richness, of ideas and it’s consummate form.. How can an intellectually sophisticated literary text emerge from remote place like the Arab peninsula?”
“Yet the fact remains that the Quran comes as a sudden disclosure in Arabic language, of until then unspoken of, or at least unattested discursive ideas.. I propose to read the Quran as nothing less than the document of a cultural turn, an epistemic revolution.”
So, Professor Angelika Neuwirth basically considered as well that Quran is seemingly impossible come from Arabs people.
About the impossibility for such phenomena.
It’s normal to say impossible for everything we observed that we couldn’t possibly explained such phenomenon with normal and usual theory. That’s the way science works. So, the absurdity is elastic and relative term based on the point of view of the scientist. For example scientist can not use Newton theory to explained the movement in stars and planet scale in universe. They need another factor that can be used to explain. So they use Einstein’s theory to explain that.
Continue here:
In this case, we normally know that language and literature were made by human. This is because we just see the fact that it all were made by human as far as we know. But there were so many texts that considered to be odd, because it contains prophecies that are true, science that human has yet know today, and so on. It’s not only Al Quran actually having those characteristics. Some books of other religion contains those aspect as well.
For example, about prophecies that are true:
In the Bible the name of coming prophet of Muhammad was mentioned by name:
1. The Bible
a. In the Song of Solomon 5:16
The Hebrew original text:
hikvō mamətaqqîm vəkullvō mahămadîm zeh dwōdî vəzeh rē‘î bənwōt yərûšālāim
“His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mahammadim. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem”
Note: Part of text that I gave italic on it is translated in English Bible as “altogether lovely”. While the correct one is must be not changed and still “Mahammad” or Muhammad. Because it was the name of the person as hebrew language depicting. Hebrew people, when they want to give homage to an honoured person, they just ad suffix “im”. If you try to find in the google translate, the original written of “mahămadîm”, which is מוחמד, would be translated at Muhammad.
b. Gospel of Barnabas
“The disciples answered: O Master, who shall that man be of whom you speak, who shall come into the world? Jesus answered with joy of heart: He is Muhammad; Messenger of God, and when he comes into the world, even as the rain makes the earth to bear fruit when for a long time it has not rained, even so shall he be occasion of good works among men, through the abundant mercy which he shall bring. For he is a white cloud full of the mercy of God, which mercy God shall sprinkle upon the faithful like rain.” (The Gospel of Barnabas:163)
It is a fact that the Trinitarian church has done its utmost to dismissing all existing copies of the Gospel of Barnabas and to either hide it from the masses or to label it a forgery.
In The Hindu Scripture, the name of Muhammad (basically, the name Ahmad/Muhammad means “the praised one”) also prophecied even with his characteristics.
According to Bhavishya Purana in the Prati Sarag Parv III Khand 3 Adhay 3 Shloka 5 to 8:
“A malecha (belonging to a foreign country and speaking a foreign language) spiritual teacher will appear with his companions. His name will be Muhamad. Raja (Bhoj) after giving this Maha Dev Arab (of angelic disposition) a bath in the Panchgavya and the Ganga water (i.e. purifying him of all sins) offered him the present of his sincere devotion and showing him all reverence said, “I make obeisance to thee. O ye! The pride of mankind, the dweller in Arabia, Ye have collected a great force to kill the Devil and you yourself have been protected from the malecha opponents.”
In the Kuntap Suktas i.e. in Atharvaveda book 20 Hymn 127:
1. Mantra1
He is Narashansah or the praised one (Muhammad). He is Kaurama: the prince of peace or the emigrant, who is safe, even amongst a host of 60,090 enemies.
2. Mantra2
He is a camel-riding Rishi, whose chariot touches the heaven.
Those prophecies clearly depicting Muhammad with his characteristics in Islam history.
Then as an open minded human, I also accept that some contents passages in the other scripture must be came from God as well, not exclusively for Quran only. But the difference is the other scripture proved to be fabricated at some of their passages. This is the evidence:
I quoted from Wikipedia in the entry of “Trinity”:
“Modern Biblical scholarship largely agrees that 1 John 5:7 seen in Latin and Greek texts after the 4th century and found in later translations such as the King James Translation, cannot be found in the oldest Greek and Latin texts. Verse 7 is known as the Johannine Comma, which most scholars agree to be a later addition by a later copyist or what is termed a textual gloss and not part of the original text. This verse reads:
Because there are three in Heaven that testify – the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit – and these three are one.
This verse is absent from the Ethiopic, Aramaic, Syriac, Slavic, early Armenian, Georgian, and Arabic translations of the Greek New Testament. It is primarily found in Latin manuscripts, although a minority of Greek, Slavonic and late Armenian manuscripts contain it.”
As long as time goes, scientist never found the similar case thing in Al Quran. The style of Quran is not like “groups of theologians adding their tought to the God’s way”. But it was revealed to Muhammad peace be upon him words by words and gradually, through Angel Gabriel. There were no evidence that Quran was fabricated in some time in the past. That’s why I demand you to give evidence of “the crafted of Quran” because it would be fair and the debate would go academically.
All that I found thus support my proposition that some texts was indeed impossible made by human. Note that the term “impossible” here is neutral, objective, and depicting the reality.
So the proposition “all literature possibly made by human” proved to be wrong. Because there were exceptions in reality.
FYI, there was one researcher namely Professor Angelika Neuwirth, Germany non muslim, expert in Islamic studies, once said this when researching about Quran:
“Poetry by virtue of its cache of panegyrics of particular tribes, lampoons of others has been labeled the Dewan al Arab, the archive of the Arabs. The realm of ideas put forward by these texts is however limited to their particular milieu which can be captured through an equally limited scope of literary genres. The narrative to report heroic tales, the panegyric employed poetical sections extolling the poets tribe “fakhr” and the descriptive in the middle part of the Qasida which depicts the poets Camel of his itinerary through the desert.”
“Most of the rock inscriptions.. are extremely short and mostly dedicated to private, ephemeral issues. Important to note, is the almost total absence of discursive speech. There are no theological, legal, or cultic debates in pre islamic poetry. Indeed little theoretical thinking can be traced. If we do not concede one important exception. The “dhikr al athlaal” section, the lament on the deserted encampments. There is arguably a serious philosophical interst lurking in the naseeb: the introductory part of Qasida.”
“The Naseeb, which often starts with the athlaal motif, the poets nostalgic lament on the side of the ruined encampment where he remembers a happy past in the company of his friends and his mistress. The naseeb is uniquely open to poetical introspection. It invites reflections on the transitoriness of emotional fulfillment and moreover on the futility of human life as such”.
“It is a striking fact then that the Quran appears seemingly out of the void as a full fledged discursive text extensive in range and replete with theological and philosophical queries.”
“This observation has been vexing western scholars for generations. The Quran surprising richness, of ideas and it’s consummate form.. How can an intellectually sophisticated literary text emerge from remote place like the Arab peninsula?”
“Yet the fact remains that the Quran comes as a sudden disclosure in Arabic language, of until then unspoken of, or at least unattested discursive ideas.. I propose to read the Quran as nothing less than the document of a cultural turn, an epistemic revolution.”
So, Professor Angelika Neuwirth basically considered as well that Quran is seemingly impossible come from Arabs people.
