Hello soulcalm17

[soulcalm17]

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About that Surah At Tawba 9:43 comment:
I took a look starting at 9:1 to see what it is about.

Summary:
The muslims have entered into a treaty with the polytheists. From the tone of the text, I figure that the jewish god doesn’t approve.
The jewish god makes a threat to the polytheists. (And give good news ˹O Prophet˺ to the disbelievers of a painful punishment.)
The polytheists who have honored the treaty, honor the treaty with them.
Kill the polytheists who have not honored the treaty after the sacred months have past.
If they apologize and pay money, set them free.
If a polytheist asks for protection, give him protection and try to convert him to Islam.
9:8 Demonstrates paranoia. It states that if the polytheists army was superior, they would do damages to you. They are not good people.
There is some repetition.
The text encourages the muslim to fight the polytheists if they don’t honor the treaty. The text guarantees victory for the muslim.
9:16 It is some more encouragement to the muslims.
9:17 Fuck the Polytheists.
You have to maintain the church, you have to believe in the last day, you have to pray, you have to give money to the Islam organized religion, you have to only fear the jewish god.
With the jewish god, you get great stuff.
The jewish god has to be the most important thing to you. Money, family, friends, possessions should be secondary to you. This is a rule. if you don’t obey it, I will put you in hell.
9:25 There was a war. There were many muslims but they began to lose the war. The jewish god sent invisible people to fight and the muslim side won. Fuck the Polytheists.
9:28 Fuck the Polytheists. Don’t let them get close to my church.
9:29 Fight the polytheists, kill them, until they pay a tax.
Jews and Christians are worshiping false gods. Unbelievers have taken control of those religion. Those religions are crap.
There is some threat to rabbis and monks.
There is a line about warfare again.
It spends time again disapproving of that polytheists do and calls their deeds evil, which implies that they should be devalued as human beings.
9:38 This existence, this world is not important. The afterlife is important. To get the good stuff in the afterlife, get up and march forth to war in the name of the jewish god.
9:39 And if you decide that you are not going to march forth to war, then the jewish god will fuck you up. He will send you to hell (painful torment) and you will get replaced by some other people.
Something about Mohamed being in a cave. Fuck the Polytheists.
The text repeats itself. Again, it says that you must march forth in the army of the jewish god and go and kill the polytheists. This would include jews and christians.

Now comes the line that interests you:

Surah At Tawba 9:43
May Allah pardon you ˹O Prophet˺! Why did you give them permission ˹to stay behind˺ before those who told the truth were distinguished from those who were lying? Those who believe in Allah and the Last Day do not ask for exemption from striving with their wealth and their lives. And Allah has perfect knowledge of those who are mindful ˹of Him˺. No one would ask for exemption except those who have no faith in Allah or the Last Day, and whose hearts are in doubt, so they are torn by their doubts. Had they ˹really˺ intended to march forth, they would have made preparations for it. But Allah disliked that they should go, so He let them lag behind, and it was said ˹to them˺, “Stay with those ˹helpless˺ who remain behind.” Had they gone forth with you ˹believers˺, they would have been nothing but trouble for you, and would have scrambled around, seeking to spread discord in your midst. And some of you would have eagerly listened to them. And Allah has ˹perfect˺ knowledge of the wrongdoers. They had already sought to spread discord before1 and devised every ˹possible˺ plot against you ˹O Prophet˺, until the truth came and Allah’s Will prevailed—much to their dismay.

I am not seeing anything embarrassing in the text.

Am I reading the right text or not? This is the second time you give me a text and I don’t see anything embarrassing. Is it me? Am I misunderstanding something?

This muslim sect was about to go to war against the polytheists (jews and christians might be included or included in a later war).
Some of the muslim people did not want to go.
I don’t know what conversation they had with Mohamed but apparently Mohamed agreed to let them live.
The line at 9:43 shows that the jewish god does not agree with Mohamed’s decision but just a few lines later, the jewish god agrees with Mohamed.

I don’t get it. Can you explain the lines in your own words. I want to see how you understand it.

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My Reply:

This is the difference between the holy books of Islam and the books of other religions. The verses in the Quran are preserved, because these verses were initially accepted and memorized by Muhammad ﷺ and his companions. So even when translated into another language, we can still refer to the original language.

What you convey is a summary of your own point of view, which is of course filled with hate bias, so you use words like f**k. I'm guessing that shouldn't be allowed in the rules of this forum right?
Continue here:

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But that's okay, because everyone can easily see the translation of the Quran which is now spread worldwide and verify what you said.
If the original version of the Quran is lost, then what happened to other religions could happen. This deviation can be so radical that it adds to the object of worship as happened to Christians who worshiped Jesus.
Surah At Taubah actually explains the description of the war that occurred during the time of Rasulullah ﷺ. The verse I am discussing is about the Tabuk war. Before this war occurred, Muhammad peace be upon him received information that Heraclius, the high Roman emperor, was preparing troops to fight the Muslims, as revenge for the humiliation of Rome because they lost in the Battle of Mu'tah.

Heraclius prepared around 40,000 troops, consisting of Romans and allied Arab tribes. It was these troops who were predicted to come and attack Medina and the Muslims there, thus making the Prophet worried.
As anticipation, the Prophet decided to face them. So the Muslims left for Tabuk at 9 Hijriyah (9th year after the Muslims migrated to Medina, movement to Medina). This war lasted for 50 days, divided into 20 days for Muslims to be in Tabuk and 30 days for the round trip from Medina to Tabuk, when the summer was not over yet. The hot season temperatures at the beginning of the autumn season which reach very high points was a very tense, deadly season in the desert region. Apart from that, the journey from Medina to Syria, apart from being a long journey, was also very difficult. There needs to be tenacity, stock up on food and water.
In that condition, the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, announced his intention to leave to face Rome to the Muslims. He called on all tribes to get ready with as large an army as possible. He also asked rich people to participate with their wealth and ability to mobilize people. In this way, he hoped that the strength of the Muslims would make the Romans nervous. The Roman army was famous for having large troops with complete weapons.

Hearing the Prophet's call for peace be upon him, there were two responses that emerged among Muslims. There were those who accept with a heart that is radiant with God's light and guidance, a heart that is already sparkling with the light of faith, and they no fear not anything else. However, there were also those who enter religion with hope and trepidation.

Meanwhile, the others still had heavy steps and began to make excuses, while whispering among themselves and mocking the Prophet Muhammad's invitation to them to face a battle far away, in the burning hot air. Those were the hypocrites who are discussed a lot in this letter. Hypocrites in Islam are people who convert to Islam, but their goal is only to obtain worldly pleasures. They even had the heart to collaborate with the enemy to destroy the Islamic forces. but they were actually afraid of facing war against Rome.

The line at 9:43 shows that Allah warn Muhammad peace be upon him, why did he give them permission (not to go to war) so that it was clear to Muhammad who were truly (impeded) and those who were lying?
That is, do not first give permission to any of them to stay in their place, so that you Muhammad know who was truthful and who was lying among them in stating their reasons. Because in fact they were still determined to stay where they were and not want to take part in the war, even though Muhammad didn’t give them permission to stay where they were.
However, the incident had already happened so that Allah forgave the Prophet Muhammad Sallallaahu Alaihi Wasallam. And that verse is to explain and unmask the characteristics of hypocrites. Hypocrites when they listen to the verses in Surah At Taubah certainly feel embarrassed beyond words because their characteristic were exposed.

So, the Prophet Muhammad was told to be firm by Allah against these hypocrites. They should not have been allowed not to participate, so that they would not easily fool the Prophet. From this it is clear that the Prophet also made mistakes, but he was corrected by entity outside him. If the prophet did not truly communicate with God, of course this verse would not have been revealed and conveyed to his people.
FYI, the At Taubah letter did not come down all at once at one time. Several verses have been revealed relating to war events other than the Tabuk war. For example, in the first verse, it was motivated by the enemies of Islam at that time, namely the Quraish polytheists, who violated the Hudaibiyah peace agreement in 6 Hijriyah. The ceasefire, which was planned to last 10 years, was violated in the 2nd year by a tribal group called the Bani Badr. Even though he had violated it, what did the Prophet Muhammad do? He did not directly fight the Bani Badr. But he, according to a revelation from God, waited 4 months for the opposing party to decide whether to surrender or continue fighting. In fact, in verse 3 of this surah, it is clearly stated that Allah gave them the opportunity to repent within the 4 month period. However, it turned out that after 4 months, the Mecca idolaters did not repent, so the Prophet attacked them.

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