Hello soulcalm17

[soulcalm17]

That collection of straw men doesn't seem to address anything in my post? 

You still haven't answered my question, can you demonstrate any objective evidence that a deity exists, or that a deity is even possible? You also didn't address the fallacious reasoning I explained, that you used in your arguments?

1. A straw man fallacy since I never claimed otherwise, and this also contradicts your earlier claim that koran cannot be entirely human in origin, or is divinely written. 
2. Straw man fallacy, since I never claimed otherwise. 
3. I think the word begin is not apropos, for fairly obvious reasons, so I would say the universe that we currently observe has a point of origin explained in the scientific theory of the big bang. The second sentence is another straw man fallacy, as I have not claimed otherwise. The last sentence is pretty vague, scientific theories are broad explanations of naturally occurring phenomena, that are supported by a weight of objective evidence, and that have been subjected to experiment and test to confirm them, so it would be unreasonable to deny something that the evidence suggests is an irrefutable fact. 

NB note that a scientific fact is just describing something science knows to be true, based on an overwhelming consensus among scientific experts in the related fields, and irrefutable in does not of course mean immutable, whilst the objective evidence cannot reasonably be denied, it remains open to critical scrutiny, as part of the methods of science demands that all ideas, no matter how well established, remain tentative in the light of new evidence, and thus open to continuous critical scrutiny. So this is the antithesis of faith based subjective religious beliefs, that claim to hold immutable and infallible truths.

Well, in my first point, what I mean is the book as written material and designed with specific form. Not talking about the content. The thing, which is book, that's what I mean. Quran, as a hardcopy of book (muslims will say The Mushaf of Quran), of course written and designed by human. But the content of writing is from God.


I didn't mean to do straw man fallacy here. I just give examples that many causes of something, not necessarily need the empirical evidence to considered that it were true.

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I already give argument previously that:

Prophecies that are true is impossible coming from human.

It will possible, if either the prophecier got access to the information containing future events, or someone outside the prophecier gave that information containing future events to the prophecier.

Now you would consider that it still possible come from human, from just predicting the name, and so on.

Okay, so you demand it just lucky for someone to got his prediction correct in the future.

In case of prophecies in Hindu scripture, how can you explain rationally that it just prediction by human?

It was not normal person in India talk about something will happen which the content is far from their area. Why would he talked that the person will riding a camel? When he was surrounding with the cows in his location. No camel in India that time. How and why he could predict about the number of Narashangsa enemies? While if he just gave prediction to amaze his follower, he could say in general and vague, so that he wouldn’t get embarrassed when his prophecies was wrong.
If someone want to lie to his follower, he would just gave general prophecies without the details.

If you say it all about luck or chance, I can no longer argue with you. Because chance is like “Chance of the Gaps”. You can’t explain it rationally, than it come by chance. I also can say anything is come by chance if I want to. Or also you say it’s mysteri, I would say that is “mysteries of the gaps”.

While I argued with rationality, that it impossible made by human, so it must come from outside them. The information, which is the keyword  here must be there. And information, can only be made by intelligent and has intentionality being. And when the information describing about events in the future that are happen, so I concluded that entity being had a plan and controlling his own plan. So, he is live forever or eternal.

This is argument from rationality about causing of something. That the eternal being must be there/or exist and has intelligence, intention, and plan. That the deity is possible. And also this deity is real, because the information exist and spoken by human that proved to be true.

The question about what is his physicality (for demanding that he is real ) is actually irrelevant. Because I already demonstrate rational evidence that doesn’t need to show physically evidence of the causing of something like I post before.

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