(August 1, 2024 at 8:09 am)Sheldon Wrote:(August 1, 2024 at 6:42 am)Belacqua Wrote: Well, there are a number of very smart people who think that numbers do have existence independent of human minds. Roger Penrose, for example. But I suspect you will reject his conclusions since they are not based on "objective evidence" -- at least, I think this is the case.Another appeal to authority fallacy, so yes given you have offered nothing beyond the fallacy, I will remain dubious.
No, an appeal to authority fallacy is when you say something like "he won the Nobel Prize, therefore he must be right." Or "he went to Harvard, therefore you have to believe him." But that's not what I'm saying.
I'm saying that opinions differ on this subject, and that some very smart people have the opinion that numbers are real. I am not saying that because Roger Penrose believes it therefore it must be true.
I have respect for Roger Penrose, and if he gives a clear argument for a position (as he does in several YouTube videos) then I think we need to consider his position seriously. He may be wrong. But we have to admit that he knows more about the issue than you or I, and therefore listening seriously to him is reasonable.
This is the case with all knowledgable people. If you say you're going to pull a column out of the middle of your house, and the architect says "hey, don't do that, the house will fall down," you don't reply with "APPEAL TO AUTHORITY, I'm doing it anyway." There are cases where paying attention to authority makes sense.
Quote:Quote:It seems that you've reached the age of 58 entirely innocent of any philosophical arguments for God.It seems you're now moving on to ad hominem fallacies, you made a claim that compelling philosophical arguments for a deity exist, I invited you to offer some, as I have not seen any, it seems they're so compelling you'd rather aim weak and irrational insults at me than just offer one, I guess people may infer what they wish from that.
This is not an ad hominem fallacy. An ad hominem fallacy is where you say something like "He has funny hair, therefore his political opinions are wrong." Or "He went to a bad university, therefore his thesis must be incorrect."
Pointing out that you are unaware of a particular field of study is not an ad hominem fallacy. From what you've written here, you have shown that this is true. Nor is this an insult -- people know about different fields, we all study different things. No one has the time or the interest to study everything.