Hello soulcalm17

[Sheldon]

Another appeal to authority fallacy, so yes given you have offered nothing beyond the fallacy, I will remain dubious. 

No, an appeal to authority fallacy is when you say something like "he won the Nobel Prize, therefore he must be right." Or "he went to Harvard, therefore you have to believe him." But that's not what I'm saying. 

Yes I am familiar with how an appeal to authority fallacy is defined, and that was textbook. You didn't offer any evidence to support your claim, just the assertion that "there are a number of very smart people who think that numbers do have existence independent of human minds. Roger Penrose, for example."

I'm saying that opinions differ on this subject, and that some very smart people have the opinion that numbers are real. I am not saying that because Roger Penrose believes it therefore it must be true.

You're saying that now, that's not what you said in your previous post though. Not that it matters, in the larger context of you evidencing any deity. 

I have respect for Roger Penrose, and if he gives a clear argument for a position (as he does in several YouTube videos) then I think we need to consider his position seriously. He may be wrong. But we have to admit that he knows more about the issue than you or I, and therefore listening seriously to him is reasonable. 

Except you presented no argument? Hence it was a bare appeal using his name and the claim the belief was shared by "some very intelligent people". Are there very intelligent people who dispute his claim? Is there a broad consensus among relevant experts to support his belief? Have these arguments been supported by any evidence, ahs it been peer reviewed etc etc...evidence see?

This is the case with all knowledgable people. If you say you're going to pull a column out of the middle of your house, and the architect says "hey, don't do that, the house will fall down," you don't reply with "APPEAL TO AUTHORITY, I'm doing it anyway." There are cases where paying attention to authority makes sense. 

You shared no knowledge though, just an appeal to authority, and are you seriously saying that the opinions of architects are not underpinned by objective evidence? 

This is not an ad hominem fallacy. An ad hominem fallacy is where you say something like

Ad hominem literally means to the person, it is fallacious when a person ignores the argument(s) someone has made, and instead attacks the person making them, as you did. 

Pointing out that you are unaware of a particular field of study is not an ad hominem fallacy.

That one is called a straw man fallacy, since I made no such claim. Now, if someone presents arguments, as I did, and you ignore those arguments, as you did, and instead make a petty insult, more than one in fact, then that is ad hominem. Here it is again for clarity:

It seems that you've reached the age of 58 entirely innocent of any philosophical arguments for God.

 Did it even occur to you that I might just not find them as compelling as you do? or did you imagine there is a consensus among philosophers that a deity or deities exist? As I suggested in the post you just answered without commenting on it, here:

Do all philosophers agree that those arguments represent a compelling reason to believe a deity exists? Plato wasn't even a monotheist was he? Which argument do find a compelling reason to believe in the Christian deity? Was it Plato's argument that "since planetary motion is uniform and circular, and since such motion is the motion of reason, then a planet must be driven by a rational soul. These souls that drive the planets could be called gods." I must say I remain dubious. 

Then there was this:

I think you are satisfied with where you are intellectually, and I'm not interested in rocking the boat. 

Again this kind of ad hominem doesn't bother me, why would it, when someone resorts to this kind of fallacious reasoning in a debate I usually infer they've exhausted their spiel. 

No one has the time or the interest to study everything.

No indeed, but it would be silly to suggest one could not doubt the claim wizards exist, just because I'd never read a Harry Potter novel . It was your claim that philosophers have made sound arguments for a deity, I stated I had never seen one, not that I had never seen any philosophical arguments for a deity, just not any I found compelling. So I invited you to present one, evidence your claim in other words. It seems this was too much of a task to educate someone as ignorant as me, at least that's what you implied. I found and quoted one by Plato, it took about ten seconds. 

Try this, what is the most compelling reason you think you have to believe a deity exists outside of the human imagination? I already asked, but it went unanswered? Anyway off to bed now...have fun everyone...