Hello soulcalm17

[soulcalm17]

I know, some would disagree and still insist empirical seen with eyes, evidence for God. While many things are not necessarily must be seen, like love, mind, mathematical numbers, etc. Some would hold “ideology” point of view to judge something. Whether they are atheists, or even theists. But I take a hat off to someone who just open mind and can accept the two type of realities we live in. That we have physical seen thing and also non physical seen thing.


The existence of God was proved by rational evidence. That there must be prime cause, prime mover of all existences that have beginning. Many atheists and theists would agree that there must be fundamental stuff of universe we live in, regarding it still unknown/unseen.

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But many atheists would be materialist in this case:
The fundamental stuff would be just matter, that has no intelligence, not alive, no plan, no controlling power.

And theists of course say that fundamental matter is has intelligence, alive, has plan, has controlling power. The reason is simple, because the impact of this fundamental stuff are like we see, matter that turning to many forms, the regularity as seen in the law of the nature, and the living creatures that emerged.

If we assess the materialist way of view and put it on a test in reality, we know that single matter itself can not come or turn into another material forms. For example, suppose that fundamental matter is water. If we just put water in experimental lab, in a vaccuum circumstances, without anything added. We just know that nothing happen with those water.
But when we arranged the condition, like maybe raising the temperature, the water become evaporated. Or lower the temperature, then the water would be turn to ice form.

Look here, when human interfene, the water can turn into another form, by raising or lowing the temperature. Now the raising or decreasing the temperature is absolute needs for water to become another form. So, it turned out that it must be setted the condition in first history of universe, to make some matter form into another materials.

Besides, none any type of matter can come in existence without prior other matter or event or condition that influence it. So, it would not and could not be matter, as fundamental stuff that generating all of universe that happen.

But if we look back at our examples about water experiment, it turn out that intelligent entity being (human) could made the situation to manipulate such matter to become other form. That is why theist proposed that fundamental stuff must be living and intelligent entity. Because only those qualities, could manipulate matters in our universe reality.

Look that theist can still based their belief/proposition through the empirical case in the universe. This one I called rational evidence of God based on empirical cases.

If I continue, many empirical cases that point only the intelligent designer could made it. These include the facts of DNA-RNA, detailed prophecies in religions scriptures, correct facts in Quran that inline with science, correct historical facts in Quran, and maybe many more. All of those contains of information, designing information, that can only be done by living intelligent being.

Many atheists of course demand the seen God, so they would believe it. While in rationality, this intelligent living entity of course can not be seen. He know past, present, and future. Meaning that he doesn’t bound by time dimension. It means he is not in our 3 dimension universe. Only entity in higher dimension can interfene 3 dimensional creatures directly, without need to broken such matter thing.

Well, this theory I got from Neil deGrasse Tyson. He said that if 4 dimensional being want to do surgery on 3 dimensional creatures, he just can do it directly without cut our body. So, it could also no difficult for this 4 dimensional being to give information directly to the 3 dimensional creatures, while the 3 dimensional creatures still can’t see it. The real point is the trace was there (the information), in the mind of human. While the mind of human itself, can’t possibly made it.

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