RE: The Kalam Cosmological Argument
August 3, 2024 at 8:00 am
(This post was last modified: August 3, 2024 at 8:07 am by Sheldon.)
(August 3, 2024 at 7:54 am)Belacqua Wrote:(August 3, 2024 at 7:49 am)Sheldon Wrote: Nope you don't see, or possibly you're pretending not to, but I'll play long, I'll use bullet points as you're struggling, or pretending to:
1) A poster pointed out flaws in theological variants of the KCA, citing Lane Craig specifically.
2) You defended those variants of the KCA tacking a deity on by claiming: "Well, they're all based on Aristotle's arguments as to why a chain of causation has to end somewhere."
3) Now despite offering not one word as to why you think Aristotle's argument supported their woeful apologetics, you then asked:"Can you point out the flaws in Aristotle's argument to me?"
4) I then pointed out that opposing philosophical arguments abound, and offered two philosophers of renown as examples.
5) You then posted a string of straw man fallacies misrepresenting what I'd said.
6) I pointed them out carefully.
7) You ignored these and added another straw man fallacy, that had no contextual relevance.
8) You ignored that and posted your latest straw man.
Hope this clears things up, but don't hesitate to ask if you're still struggling, as the straw men you're posting are making me dizzy.
For clarity, we're none the wiser as to why you think Aristotle's argument helped Lane crane assume his chosen deity as a first cause in his variant of the KCA, but if I was a gambling man, I'd say this dizzying list of tangential straw men was designed precisely to avoid you explaining your claim, based on previous discourse. I'd also think it is a reasonable bet we will never find out, but I live in hope.
This is not the way I see things, obviously.
Obviously, offering an expansive dumbed down explanation would seem rather pointless, if you already understood that your posts were dishonest straw men, and therefore relentlessly irrational.
As I don't see much chance you'll honestly acknowledge your straw men were dishonest misrepresentations of what I posted, maybe we can get back to the topic, and you could explain how Aristotle's argument helps Lane Craig assume his chosen deity as a first cause in his variant of the KCA?