Hello soulcalm17

[soulcalm17]

soulcalm17I know, some would disagree and still insist empirical seen with eyes, evidence for God. While many things are not necessarily must be seen, like love, mind, mathematical numbers, etc. Some would hold “ideology” point of view to judge something. Whether they are atheists, or even theists. But I take a hat off to someone who just open mind and can accept the two type of realities we live in. That we have physical seen thing and also non physical seen thing.


The existence of God was proved by rational evidence. That there must be prime cause, prime mover of all existences that have beginning. Many atheists and theists would agree that there must be fundamental stuff of universe we live in, regarding it still unknown/unseen.

Kalaam
Everything that begins to exist must have a cause: this has not been demonstrated, and it looks like virtual paticles begin to exist without a cause.

The universe began to exist: this has not been demonstrated, we know the whole universe was in a hot dense state and then expanded rapidly, but we don't know where that hot dense state came from, how long it lasted, if it had a beginning, or if it always existed; maybe we have an eternal universe that changes phase state.

Therefore, the universe had a cause: this has not been demonstrated, and there is no particular reason to think that if it did have a cause, that cause was a person with intention.

Changes in form/qualities is a sign of anything that have beginning. For virtual particles: you just don't know yet the cause. For hot dense state of big bang: you just don't know yet where did it came from. Of course it is impossible to see the beginning of universe, while we're stuck in present time. 

Now, these chain of cause, certainly has to be end. And we didn't ask anymore where did it come from, because it is a prime cause/fundamental stuff. That ending of cause, is only logically and rationally have qualities of living and intelligent, thus it has a will and plan. If otherwise, then we belief in magic. I would prefer believe in unseen entity that have those qualities rather than believe in unknown magic that has no rational explanation.