(August 6, 2024 at 9:54 am)Sheldon Wrote: MagicIf it is the definition of magic, I'm not ashamed to accept it. The mysterious or supernatural forces is still the explanation of causing something.
noun
1. the power of apparently influencing events by using mysterious or supernatural forces.
Do we really need to poll the atheists here, to see if a single one believes this is even possible, never mind that it must explain the origins of the universe? So we can add a straw man fallacy to @soulcalm17 list of irrational arguments.
I'd also insist now that he explains in detail with supporting objective evidence:
1. How is a deity possible?
2. How did a deity create the universe?
If he can't do this, then he is the one positing magic.
I can not show you how The mysterious or supernatural being did it. Because as I post, This Entity is outside our 3 dimension world, and theoretically, it can influence all thing although creatures in 3 dimension cannot see it. As a Neil deGrasse said, 4th dimensional being can see all of our body in detail, include what inside our body. And it just can do surgery without even cut our body, more over if The Being is in higher than 4th dimension. So indeed it's like mystic mysterious act happened. And it is possible in physics theory.
1. How is a deity possible :
I already explained it many times by rational evidence.
2. How did a deity create the universe? :
Because The Deity is outside 3 dimensional universe, not bounded by time, of course He is different with creatures/things in our 3 dimensional universe. And It not necessarily need any things/tools to do such things for him. Only the will from himself and just said the words, and universe started to form and processed. (Note that we can not do like God did in our universe, because we are creatures and bounded by spacetime in our 3 dimensional world. So, we needs tools to make anything). The process of universe, we can still see it now and we, by science can conclude how it was started.
FYI, my definition of magic with my post before is: something that have beginning that exist itself without any reason/explanation. Just "poof" it's exist.