RE: The Need to Evolve
August 22, 2024 at 5:09 am
(This post was last modified: August 22, 2024 at 5:12 am by Sheldon.)
(August 21, 2024 at 8:18 pm)Belacqua Wrote:It just sounds like a shared idea to me, what specifically is it supposed to be evidencing, and can it be objectively verified in any way?(August 21, 2024 at 5:56 pm)Sheldon Wrote: unless you can accurately define "spiritual" and objectively evidence it exists outside of the human imagination, can you do this?
In your epistemology, do you accept intersubjective evidence? Sometimes intersubjective evidence can seem quite persuasive, though (I suspect) you would not consider it objective.
Quote:For example, if 9999 people out of 10000 people who take a drug report that it makes them feel happy, that seems like fairly good evidence. In a way it's subjective, because we have no objective way of observing or quantifying happiness. It is purely self-reported. Yet the fact that many people have the same experience tends to lend credibility to the claim.Except we can easily objectively verify the result, a simple double blind clinical trial, with some test subjects receiving a placebo could confirm that the drug is causing the happiness, and of course since the claim is a natural physiological phenomenon, we already now the result is possible, we have no objective evidence that anything supernatural is possible.
Quote:Evidence of what? Specifically what's being claimed, and beyond this bare appeal to numbers you've offered here, what supports it? Also what does this have to do with the post I was responding to? For context here's my full response and the claim I was responding to:Quote:The fact that certain yogic practices have been reported to yield certain results for a very long time seems like evidence to me.
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/husserl/#EmpIntLif
Quote:I believe in different forms of inner transformation which can also come in the form of spiritual work or understanding.Sheldon: This seems to contradict your previous claim, unless you can accurately define "spiritual" and objectively evidence it exists outside of the human imagination, can you do this?