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The Need to Evolve
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RE: The Need to Evolve
(August 22, 2024 at 5:26 am)Belacqua Wrote:
(August 22, 2024 at 5:09 am)Sheldon Wrote: Except we can easily objectively verify the result, a simple double blind clinical trial, with some test subjects receiving a placebo could confirm that the drug is causing the happiness, and of course since the claim is a natural physiological phenomenon, we already now the result is possible, we have no objective evidence that anything supernatural is possible. 

What objective evidence can we have that the people in the trial actually feel happier?
None, it's a subjective feeling, though it is of course a trivial claim, but the best we can have is objective markers, just as with pain, that's why A & R (that's ER department to those in the US) carefully check for signs of addiction before whipping out the prescription pad. 

I note you have focused on that part of your scenario, and ignored the part of the response that moved your bare appeal to numbers, to how I explained we could present objective evidence the medication was working, via properly conducted double blind clinical trials with a placebo. Do you imagine I don't notice you shoving the debate endlessly in one direction, or why? 

Now I also can't help but notice, that I am yet again expansively and honestly answering your questions, while you flatly ignore mine, reciprocity my friend, or I shall have to cut you off.

What has your claims to do with the original claim I responded to? Please be specific, and don't just offer links to the philosophical arguments of others. Explain specifically why you think they are relevant, offer quotes to evidence why you think this. Give me some sign you want honest debate here, and are not just preaching at me.
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Messages In This Thread
The Need to Evolve - by Leonardo17 - August 21, 2024 at 2:58 pm
RE: The Need to Evolve - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 21, 2024 at 3:10 pm
RE: The Need to Evolve - by Sheldon - August 21, 2024 at 5:56 pm
RE: The Need to Evolve - by Belacqua - August 21, 2024 at 8:18 pm
RE: The Need to Evolve - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 21, 2024 at 8:21 pm
RE: The Need to Evolve - by Sheldon - August 22, 2024 at 5:09 am
RE: The Need to Evolve - by Belacqua - August 22, 2024 at 5:26 am
RE: The Need to Evolve - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 22, 2024 at 6:01 am
RE: The Need to Evolve - by Sheldon - August 22, 2024 at 6:56 am
RE: The Need to Evolve - by Belacqua - August 22, 2024 at 7:39 am
RE: The Need to Evolve - by Sheldon - August 22, 2024 at 9:47 am
RE: The Need to Evolve - by Belacqua - August 22, 2024 at 8:45 pm
RE: The Need to Evolve - by The Grand Nudger - August 22, 2024 at 9:24 pm
RE: The Need to Evolve - by Sheldon - August 23, 2024 at 2:11 am
RE: The Need to Evolve - by Belacqua - August 23, 2024 at 2:38 am
RE: The Need to Evolve - by Sheldon - August 23, 2024 at 4:10 am
RE: The Need to Evolve - by Thumpalumpacus - August 22, 2024 at 12:58 am
RE: The Need to Evolve - by The Grand Nudger - August 22, 2024 at 1:14 am
RE: The Need to Evolve - by Angrboda - August 22, 2024 at 7:39 am
RE: The Need to Evolve - by Belacqua - August 22, 2024 at 7:44 am
RE: The Need to Evolve - by Angrboda - August 22, 2024 at 7:49 am
RE: The Need to Evolve - by Belacqua - August 22, 2024 at 7:56 am
RE: The Need to Evolve - by Angrboda - August 22, 2024 at 10:44 am
RE: The Need to Evolve - by Sheldon - August 22, 2024 at 12:01 pm
RE: The Need to Evolve - by Belacqua - August 22, 2024 at 8:55 pm
RE: The Need to Evolve - by The Grand Nudger - August 22, 2024 at 1:26 pm
RE: The Need to Evolve - by The Grand Nudger - August 23, 2024 at 10:37 am



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