(February 9, 2025 at 6:45 pm)Alan V Wrote:(February 9, 2025 at 2:07 pm)Angrboda Wrote: So empiricism is confirmed using the methods of empiricism which demonstrates that empiricism is sound if empiricism is sound.
Circular logic much, bro?
Philosophers keep insisting the world should be logical. Empiricists describe what they see, whether it seems to make sense or not. That is a kind of knowledge of the world.
Empiricists describe what they see, and they know that the evidence of the senses is far from reliable. So to get to anything like science or useful engineering, "what they see" must be analyzed and interpreted through logical and theoretical frameworks.
If you say simply that they describe what they see, and this is knowledge, you're still doing the circular logic bit. Empiricists hold that knowledge BEGINS in the evidence of the senses but if it stopped there it wouldn't be knowledge.
As a well-known philosopher said, "Nothing in the mind that was not first in the senses." So what you're arguing here, that empiricism is the best way of knowing, is a philosophical argument. You are doing philosophy.