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The Resurrection
RE: The Resurrection
(February 11, 2025 at 3:39 pm)Sheldon Wrote: If (hypothetically) the resurrection (of the Jesus character) in the gospel myths, were objectively demonstrated to have happened, this would still not in and of itself represent sufficient objective evidence he was a deity, rather it would represent something we could not explain.

If in the future science were to (hypothetically), demonstrate that resurrecting someone after they had been (brain) dead, for three days, then this would not in any objective way suggest the story of the (Jesus) resurrection in the gospel myths, was factually true or even possible, and of course, even were that not the case, it would make the claim it needed a deity to resurrect someone demonstrably false. Put simply, something touted as defying natural or scientific explanation (a miracle) would have a natural scientific explanation. 

Does this about sum it up so far, or have I missed something?

For the record, roses are not entirely flowers, and red roses are not entirely red.

(February 11, 2025 at 4:48 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:
(February 11, 2025 at 4:38 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: It’s exactly the issue. One cannot say that a rose is ‘completely red’ when it isn’t - bits of it are green and bits of it are brown, yellow, and red. So, we cannot call it completely green (for example) AND completely red, since green and red are not the same.

Yeah, that's a given. Green and red are equal members of the color category, and as such can only co-occur in additive form. If one comprises 60% of the whole, then other comprises 40%. But nobody would say that a rose was only 50% flower on account of being 50% red. These exist at non-conflicting levels of classifications; they're members of separate categories.


A rose is a good deal more than 50% flower. That aside, there is no conflict in calling an appropriate object ‘a red rose’. But that object is neither entire red nor entirely a rose - part of it is red, part of it is a rose, If it were entirely red, it would not be a rose. If it were entirely a rose, it would not be red.

Similarly, Jesus of myth is partly god, partly man. Either part prevents his being entirely one thing or the other.

Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
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The Resurrection - by John 6IX Breezy - February 6, 2025 at 12:09 pm
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