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The Official "Damned Trump" Thread: Phase II
RE: The Official "Damned Trump" Thread: Phase II
(February 28, 2025 at 10:31 pm)emjay Wrote:
(February 28, 2025 at 10:11 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Were I European, I'd consider resigning from NATO -- it's a one years' notice -- and then when that year is up, or even before, establishing a Eurocentric defense structure.

In the meantime I'd limit Trumpian America's access to intel and European planning, because it's plain now that the Trump Administration is a Putin puppet.

I hate to write this, given that I've not only sworn my country's oath but also have served under NATO orders, and it's an alliance I both cherish and feel has been a net-positive to peace and stability. But if I were in London or Paris or Berlin, I would push for a European alliance that doesn't look to a clearly fickle America for security.

Wow, that's dire... thank you for your candour. NATO was great when everyone was in it wholeheartedly, so don't blame yourself for feeling bad about it now... noone could have foreseen the possibility that one of its strongest founders and backbones would decide to do a complete 180 and turn against it, assuming that's probably what's going to happen, but hoping it's not.

I think that this is where Europe resumes leadership of the free world. I confess fear that they may not be able to do it against both Russia and China. They can certainly defend themselves against Russia, but there's a lot of people in Asia who are going to feel this American abdication much more directly.

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RE: The Official "Damned Trump" Thread: Phase II - by Silver - November 6, 2024 at 12:09 pm
RE: The Official "Damned Trump" Thread: Phase II - by h4ym4n - November 6, 2024 at 5:37 pm
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RE: The Official "Damned Trump" Thread: Phase II - by emjay - February 28, 2025 at 7:24 pm
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