(June 7, 2025 at 5:26 pm)SubtleVirtue Wrote:(June 6, 2025 at 8:26 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: (1) That isn't what I said. If you can't demonstrate eternity then you can't demonstrate that it's eternal, merely as old as the universe.
(2) No, under most conditions energy levels are way above the ZPE.
(3) No, power is energy over time. No transformation.
(4) If energy is eternal it can't be caused at all.
(1) there are two ways to reach eternity; A; "everywhere everything exists from prior states of the existence of things" and B; energy cannot be created nor destroyed which entails that it is eternal
(2) I asked if ZPE is omnipresent; here is what Max Planck proved; there is a certain amount of energy equal to 1 half h bar omega in every single point in space
(3) are you claiming that i.e. nuclear energy cannot transform to light energy?
(4) "causal" is not in the same declension as "caused"; the latter refers to an event in time, the former refers to a process through time. eternal energy can be self-causal but not caused
(1) You can't demonstrate either of those hold true "prior" to the Big Bang. Bye-bye eternity.
(2) Planck theorized that a vanishingly small amount of energy couldn't ever be utilized, this is the ZPE. If you want an impotent god please keep heading down this road. ZPE can't go anywhere or do anything.
(3) I'm claiming that isn'r power. Please learn the difference.
(4) Arguing from grammar fail. That which is not caused cannot be self-causal. Your argument eats its own tail.
