What is pleasure?

[Disagreeable]

Yes but the pleasurable experience is good in itself, intrinsically. It's not like you experience the pleasurable experience and then that pleasurable experience leads to pleasure. The pleasurable experience *is* the pleasure. Hence why it's intrinsically good.

Think of tasting chocolate: the sweetness isn’t something that comes after you eat it — the sweetness is the experience of eating chocolate itself. Similarly, the goodness of a pleasurable experience just is the pleasure you feel while having it.

But if you seek out experiences that give you pleasure - even if that pleasure is concurrent with the experience - you’re doing it for that reason. It may be an instant reward, but your motivation in doing so is what makes it instrumental.

Boru

That's just talking past me. Again, I'm not talking about the instrumentality of motivation, I'm talking about intrinsic value versus instrumental value when it comes to experiences.

The motivation may be instrumental but that doesn't mean that the experience is instrumentally good. It's good in itself, intrinsically, rather than good because it leads to something else. And that makes it an example of intrinsic value, not instrumental value.

Instrumental reasons for acting do not affect the intrinsic goodness of the experience itself.