Fake Messiah:
“If a Iran’s power plants get destroyed, hospitals and emergency services would be strained since backup generators only last so long. Water systems would fail as pumps and treatment facilities shut down.
Food supplies would also be disrupted as refrigeration and transportation break down.
But maybe China steps in and saves them with thousands of solar panels, like they are doing in Cuba:”
- Doing this is a war crime. In fact all the economic sanction are punishing the Iranian people. Not the Basij or the revolutionary guides. But if he does it in a way that hurts the elite and not the people (by eradicating their only source of income) I think there may be some dramatic results.
Fake Messiah:
“Then perhaps you should demonstrate it instead of filling your posts with bullshit?” (etc)
And
“I can. Means of production did not belong to workers and thus SU wasn't socialist. It's that simple.”
Again that basic knowledge. The Soviet Union means the Union of the Soviets. Soviets are Workers Councils. These are the basic political structures of the country. The same system is also at place in China.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_(council)
Here is a quote from Wikipedia:
“The Chinese constitution describes the country's system of government as a people's democratic dictatorship.[31] The CCP has also used other terms to officially describe China's system of government including "socialist consultative democracy", and whole-process people's democracy.[32]”
- None of these are pure party-states like fascist of Italy. There are systems at work within this basically authoritarian system that allows them to be governed with some degree of rationality. China is the N-1 economic power in this world (after the US of course).
But you are not getting the nuances here. So maybe we should change the subject
“Ever heard of concept of "welfare state"? Do some reading sonny before you embarrass yourself further.”
- Yes. There is that in Canada and Greenland. B. Obama and Joe Biden wanted there to be that in the US too. But MAGA people didn’t want it and this is 2026. East-German people had this welfare state for instance.
/You know: for most people the way they talk to others is also the way they talk to themselves. SO do not worry about self-embarrassment. I’m saying this for everything. If you are new at something you can just go for it. Rome wasn’t built within a week you know
“What abortion right have to do with socialism?
Also according to your twisted logic SU stopped being socialist in 1936 as On 27 June 1936, the Central Executive Committee of the Soviet Union made abortion illegal again.”
- But it was legalized again in 1955. That’s when black people could not walk into whites-only restaurants in the US
“This makes them socialist? It erases SU crimes? ““
- You are missing the nuances. I would not want to live in the USSR. I would not want to be invaded or subjected genocide by the USSR. But that era was a different era. Napoleon was not a saint either but people remember him for his genius more than the destruction he brought to all of Europe. I’m talking about concepts here. Who will remember the IRI for anything in 50 / 100 years? Jihadi terrorism and Shaheed drones?
(nuances)
“It was founded on utopian thinking which is hardly rational and on ideology that resembled religion and then transformed into it when marxism became marxism-leninism.”
+ 1
And many people who know this stuff are critical of many ideas Karl Marx expressed in the first place. Personally I didn’t even read (parts) of the Capital. + Karl Marx even said that he wasn’t a Marxist.
/ As an ordinary man, I will still try to pick some of the more positive aspects of the Marxist approach and try to see if they can have value in our days. I believe that some of these values may still have value in future societies.
“If the world would have reacted (by force of arms) then there would be a world war by definition.
It's good to be armchair general and politician but both France and GB had to deal with populace that had enough of war and obviously neither of these countries could see a future.”
- What if the same is true for Iran. That’s what Netanyahu is saying. And I don’t think its empty talk. The Mossad is very present in Iran. So if if they say that there is some risks there my tendency is to believe them.
But yes: The opposite argument might be that Netanyahu is playing this card to hold on more to political power. Well, at the end of the day we civilians simply don’t know. Yes. It’s possible. I might be completely wrong in the end
“You're drunk or on drugs? I recommend you Wikipedia because you lack even most basic knowledge and it can help to remedy it. What CNN have to do with this?”
- I mean the same is happening all over again in Ukraine and this time Europe (and also the US) decided to act early.
“So these unnamed (and probably existing only in your fertile imagination) European leaders are doing something to stop trump or netanyahu? That's cool if true.”
- You seem to be enthusiastic about this. But you don’t need tanks to stop Bibi and Donald. You need to go to the polls and until then, you need to write to your congressmen or congresswomen. I think this is based on the area of your residence in the US. So find out who is your congressmen and write them a short letter in which you clearly express your feelings about Israel (barbaric?) actions in Palestine and Beirut (and also in Iran if you like)
“Also consult some books before writing a post. Above looks like worst kind of ai slop that explains nothing and tells nothing. You're aware of the fact that OKH wanted something different than Manstein and war might have looked different if Hitler didn't learn of his plan and supported it?”
No. You may share more info on this if you like.
“Sure, sure. There was no Battle of Britain and allies just twiddled their thumbs until perfectly rational USSR which also sent first woman in space saved them. Consoling
Cut one the bullshit and do some research sonny. Historical consensus is that about 6 millions of Jews were killed in Shoah. It's already enormous crime so I have no idea why you seek to inflate the number further. I can only hope that it is ignorance and not malice speaking.”
- I don’t know if the allies would have defeated Hitler if half of is army wasn’t being decimated in the East-Front. The victory in WWII belong to the Allies and to the Soviets. Both sides sacrificed a lot (the Russians sacrificed more actually).
- No sorry. I just made a mistake.
“What exactly is so intriguing there?”
- In my mind the two are absolute opposites. Stalin making deal with Hitler. But you don’t seem to see it this way in this forum.
I live in the old world. Even today, far-right and far-left young boys are seriously harming one another in places like France. Being a “Facho” is still very different form being a “Camarade”. I mean this is serious stuff I’m talking about
“So where is your condemnation of israel genocide of Palestinians? You constantly fellating this rogue state and write some bullshit about how it is in danger while simultaneously ignoring that it is danger it is bringing on itself - by staring war, by oppression and by genocide.”
- All I say is that the situation on the ground might look different in some cases. I’m saying that 1) There is a madness element in Israel. But you didn’t agree that 2) There is a madness element that is related to many of the other factions that are present in the region. So much that if the Ottoman rule or colonialism had lasted a little longer it would obviously be better for all of these ethnical and cultural elements in the region.
“I want them sanctioned and to UN peacekeeping forces be stationed in Tel Aviv as country that routinely pises on UN resolutions can't be trusted.”
- I agree
“Perhaps they shouldn't illegally settle there then.”
- Israel’s 1949 Borders are legal. Maybe they should just stay within these borders.
“- Houtis + Hamas + Hezbolah are all Iranian proxies who are trained and financed by Iran.
Your words aren't evidence.”
- Well watch some TV. These are Shiite Political Islamist groups whose leadership are directly appointed by Iran. (check the internet if you like)
“It should be restrained sonny. Whether by sanction or force I care not as in my view genocidal regimes can't be allowed to continue unpunished.”
- I agree
“Without war crimes and genocide. Shouldn't be a concept that is hard to grasp.”
- Many Jews + Israelis would agree with that too. You know: There are completely MAGA / redneck Israelis too. Their messianic views are as problematic as political Islamist views. That’s how I see it.
“I'm yet to see you condemn it. Also you deny Iran sovereignty because it is "ruled by monsters" but you don't appear to treat israel the same despite the fact that it committed genocide. I think that you lack even a shred of moral courage to truly condemn whatever israel is doing. Actions of this rogue state are abhorrent, criminal and plain idiotic but you don't seem to care. Same with SU. You don't condemn it for genocide just speak some nonsense about it's alleged rationality. It looks like your moral compass is malfunctioning, assuming you have one at all.”
- You may have a point here. I think I will have to agree.
Yet you are making a mistake here too: the IRI is a very complicated regime. Iran was a F..ed up place (in political terms) even before the IRI revolution. They are very far from being a more innocent element in the region like Palestine, Lebanon or even Syria and Iraq.
As I said they brought this on themselves. Meaning: From their perspective. Nobody is bombing Us (Turkey). Nobody is Bombing Tunisia or Egypt. SO maybe something is wrong with Iran too?
“israel is using white phosphorus in Lebanon. That's criminal not merely not very nice.
Anything else to say in regard to you not being israel apologist?”
- No I think I will condemn both of Israel’s action in Palestine and in Lebanon. But I must remind you that there has to be a secular authority in both these countries who are capable of banning Iranian proxies in their territory. Right now Hamas (still) owns Palestine and Hezbollah is ver very active in Lebanon.
See that our main problem here: If we were able to solve this there would be no war with Iran. But let’s leave this for another time.
“So your solution to the issue is to beat the victim while letting aggressor scot free? Neither israel nor USA have right to decide sovereign state government. You seem curiously resistant to the concept that Iran should be afforded the same right that other countries enjoy while simultaneously being blind to israel and US breaking the international law.”
- No. I think İsrael is undermining existing sevular authorities in the region. Then it makes room for Islamist extremists. Then it justifies its genocidal wars with the existence of extremist elements in the region. And that’s because Israel itself is ruled by religious extremists. That’s my theory on that.
“What type of situation? Allowing rogue state that already committed genocide to continue without punishment might indeed incite it to commit another one so best way to prevent it would be to use force against Israel”
- No I mean hatred, then more hatred, then dehumanization, then more dehumanization. It’s like gang violence in bad neighborhoods in America. “They are the animals, they are uncivilized, we against them, pride, hatred, pride, hatred” This simply cannot work. It never worked once in history and that’s all I am saying
BriansoddigBoru:
- This is about the reality on the ground. Cuba doesn’t even have civilian nuclear power or a ballistic missile program. Look at the (illegal) oil embargo D. Trump is imposing on them. (I mean why is he forbidding even Mexico to sell them some oil for their cars and their energy grid?).
Sometimes you need to look at all the aspects when you are facing a given problem.
“If a Iran’s power plants get destroyed, hospitals and emergency services would be strained since backup generators only last so long. Water systems would fail as pumps and treatment facilities shut down.
Food supplies would also be disrupted as refrigeration and transportation break down.
But maybe China steps in and saves them with thousands of solar panels, like they are doing in Cuba:”
- Doing this is a war crime. In fact all the economic sanction are punishing the Iranian people. Not the Basij or the revolutionary guides. But if he does it in a way that hurts the elite and not the people (by eradicating their only source of income) I think there may be some dramatic results.
Fake Messiah:
“Then perhaps you should demonstrate it instead of filling your posts with bullshit?” (etc)
And
“I can. Means of production did not belong to workers and thus SU wasn't socialist. It's that simple.”
Again that basic knowledge. The Soviet Union means the Union of the Soviets. Soviets are Workers Councils. These are the basic political structures of the country. The same system is also at place in China.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_(council)
Here is a quote from Wikipedia:
“The Chinese constitution describes the country's system of government as a people's democratic dictatorship.[31] The CCP has also used other terms to officially describe China's system of government including "socialist consultative democracy", and whole-process people's democracy.[32]”
- None of these are pure party-states like fascist of Italy. There are systems at work within this basically authoritarian system that allows them to be governed with some degree of rationality. China is the N-1 economic power in this world (after the US of course).
But you are not getting the nuances here. So maybe we should change the subject
“Ever heard of concept of "welfare state"? Do some reading sonny before you embarrass yourself further.”
- Yes. There is that in Canada and Greenland. B. Obama and Joe Biden wanted there to be that in the US too. But MAGA people didn’t want it and this is 2026. East-German people had this welfare state for instance.
/You know: for most people the way they talk to others is also the way they talk to themselves. SO do not worry about self-embarrassment. I’m saying this for everything. If you are new at something you can just go for it. Rome wasn’t built within a week you know
“What abortion right have to do with socialism?
Also according to your twisted logic SU stopped being socialist in 1936 as On 27 June 1936, the Central Executive Committee of the Soviet Union made abortion illegal again.”
- But it was legalized again in 1955. That’s when black people could not walk into whites-only restaurants in the US
“This makes them socialist? It erases SU crimes? ““
- You are missing the nuances. I would not want to live in the USSR. I would not want to be invaded or subjected genocide by the USSR. But that era was a different era. Napoleon was not a saint either but people remember him for his genius more than the destruction he brought to all of Europe. I’m talking about concepts here. Who will remember the IRI for anything in 50 / 100 years? Jihadi terrorism and Shaheed drones?
(nuances)
“It was founded on utopian thinking which is hardly rational and on ideology that resembled religion and then transformed into it when marxism became marxism-leninism.”
+ 1
And many people who know this stuff are critical of many ideas Karl Marx expressed in the first place. Personally I didn’t even read (parts) of the Capital. + Karl Marx even said that he wasn’t a Marxist.
/ As an ordinary man, I will still try to pick some of the more positive aspects of the Marxist approach and try to see if they can have value in our days. I believe that some of these values may still have value in future societies.
“If the world would have reacted (by force of arms) then there would be a world war by definition.
It's good to be armchair general and politician but both France and GB had to deal with populace that had enough of war and obviously neither of these countries could see a future.”
- What if the same is true for Iran. That’s what Netanyahu is saying. And I don’t think its empty talk. The Mossad is very present in Iran. So if if they say that there is some risks there my tendency is to believe them.
But yes: The opposite argument might be that Netanyahu is playing this card to hold on more to political power. Well, at the end of the day we civilians simply don’t know. Yes. It’s possible. I might be completely wrong in the end
“You're drunk or on drugs? I recommend you Wikipedia because you lack even most basic knowledge and it can help to remedy it. What CNN have to do with this?”
- I mean the same is happening all over again in Ukraine and this time Europe (and also the US) decided to act early.
“So these unnamed (and probably existing only in your fertile imagination) European leaders are doing something to stop trump or netanyahu? That's cool if true.”
- You seem to be enthusiastic about this. But you don’t need tanks to stop Bibi and Donald. You need to go to the polls and until then, you need to write to your congressmen or congresswomen. I think this is based on the area of your residence in the US. So find out who is your congressmen and write them a short letter in which you clearly express your feelings about Israel (barbaric?) actions in Palestine and Beirut (and also in Iran if you like)
“Also consult some books before writing a post. Above looks like worst kind of ai slop that explains nothing and tells nothing. You're aware of the fact that OKH wanted something different than Manstein and war might have looked different if Hitler didn't learn of his plan and supported it?”
No. You may share more info on this if you like.
“Sure, sure. There was no Battle of Britain and allies just twiddled their thumbs until perfectly rational USSR which also sent first woman in space saved them. Consoling
Cut one the bullshit and do some research sonny. Historical consensus is that about 6 millions of Jews were killed in Shoah. It's already enormous crime so I have no idea why you seek to inflate the number further. I can only hope that it is ignorance and not malice speaking.”
- I don’t know if the allies would have defeated Hitler if half of is army wasn’t being decimated in the East-Front. The victory in WWII belong to the Allies and to the Soviets. Both sides sacrificed a lot (the Russians sacrificed more actually).
- No sorry. I just made a mistake.
“What exactly is so intriguing there?”
- In my mind the two are absolute opposites. Stalin making deal with Hitler. But you don’t seem to see it this way in this forum.
I live in the old world. Even today, far-right and far-left young boys are seriously harming one another in places like France. Being a “Facho” is still very different form being a “Camarade”. I mean this is serious stuff I’m talking about
“So where is your condemnation of israel genocide of Palestinians? You constantly fellating this rogue state and write some bullshit about how it is in danger while simultaneously ignoring that it is danger it is bringing on itself - by staring war, by oppression and by genocide.”
- All I say is that the situation on the ground might look different in some cases. I’m saying that 1) There is a madness element in Israel. But you didn’t agree that 2) There is a madness element that is related to many of the other factions that are present in the region. So much that if the Ottoman rule or colonialism had lasted a little longer it would obviously be better for all of these ethnical and cultural elements in the region.
“I want them sanctioned and to UN peacekeeping forces be stationed in Tel Aviv as country that routinely pises on UN resolutions can't be trusted.”
- I agree
“Perhaps they shouldn't illegally settle there then.”
- Israel’s 1949 Borders are legal. Maybe they should just stay within these borders.
“- Houtis + Hamas + Hezbolah are all Iranian proxies who are trained and financed by Iran.
Your words aren't evidence.”
- Well watch some TV. These are Shiite Political Islamist groups whose leadership are directly appointed by Iran. (check the internet if you like)
“It should be restrained sonny. Whether by sanction or force I care not as in my view genocidal regimes can't be allowed to continue unpunished.”
- I agree
“Without war crimes and genocide. Shouldn't be a concept that is hard to grasp.”
- Many Jews + Israelis would agree with that too. You know: There are completely MAGA / redneck Israelis too. Their messianic views are as problematic as political Islamist views. That’s how I see it.
“I'm yet to see you condemn it. Also you deny Iran sovereignty because it is "ruled by monsters" but you don't appear to treat israel the same despite the fact that it committed genocide. I think that you lack even a shred of moral courage to truly condemn whatever israel is doing. Actions of this rogue state are abhorrent, criminal and plain idiotic but you don't seem to care. Same with SU. You don't condemn it for genocide just speak some nonsense about it's alleged rationality. It looks like your moral compass is malfunctioning, assuming you have one at all.”
- You may have a point here. I think I will have to agree.
Yet you are making a mistake here too: the IRI is a very complicated regime. Iran was a F..ed up place (in political terms) even before the IRI revolution. They are very far from being a more innocent element in the region like Palestine, Lebanon or even Syria and Iraq.
As I said they brought this on themselves. Meaning: From their perspective. Nobody is bombing Us (Turkey). Nobody is Bombing Tunisia or Egypt. SO maybe something is wrong with Iran too?
“israel is using white phosphorus in Lebanon. That's criminal not merely not very nice.
Anything else to say in regard to you not being israel apologist?”
- No I think I will condemn both of Israel’s action in Palestine and in Lebanon. But I must remind you that there has to be a secular authority in both these countries who are capable of banning Iranian proxies in their territory. Right now Hamas (still) owns Palestine and Hezbollah is ver very active in Lebanon.
See that our main problem here: If we were able to solve this there would be no war with Iran. But let’s leave this for another time.
“So your solution to the issue is to beat the victim while letting aggressor scot free? Neither israel nor USA have right to decide sovereign state government. You seem curiously resistant to the concept that Iran should be afforded the same right that other countries enjoy while simultaneously being blind to israel and US breaking the international law.”
- No. I think İsrael is undermining existing sevular authorities in the region. Then it makes room for Islamist extremists. Then it justifies its genocidal wars with the existence of extremist elements in the region. And that’s because Israel itself is ruled by religious extremists. That’s my theory on that.
“What type of situation? Allowing rogue state that already committed genocide to continue without punishment might indeed incite it to commit another one so best way to prevent it would be to use force against Israel”
- No I mean hatred, then more hatred, then dehumanization, then more dehumanization. It’s like gang violence in bad neighborhoods in America. “They are the animals, they are uncivilized, we against them, pride, hatred, pride, hatred” This simply cannot work. It never worked once in history and that’s all I am saying
BriansoddigBoru:
- This is about the reality on the ground. Cuba doesn’t even have civilian nuclear power or a ballistic missile program. Look at the (illegal) oil embargo D. Trump is imposing on them. (I mean why is he forbidding even Mexico to sell them some oil for their cars and their energy grid?).
Sometimes you need to look at all the aspects when you are facing a given problem.
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