Veganism

[Disagreeable]

This just begs the question.

So I'm begging the question by pointing out that you don't have evidence for your claim which you are trying to hide with bad analogies. Go figure.

You're begging the question when you say that morality has no target. According to moral realism there is a moral target. So you're begging the question.

Yeah, like me reading your replies in which you are proven wrong but still insist that you are somehow right. Don't you know that torture is immoral?

Exactly. Torture is actually immoral. So that's one example of a moral fact.

We don't see that because in many countries women's rights and gay rights are not a thing, and even in countries where they do exist, there are many prominent people that want to overthrow them.

So you're saying that because there are societies that disagree with certain values that therefore there are no societies that agree with certain values? This is profoundly stupid. Disagreement is disagreement, yes, but agreement is agreement. Sometimes people agree about morality, as well as disagree about morality.

So in order for you to say they are objectively good (or "morally realistic") you have to answer why are people against them? But you won't.

Not everyone is against them. That's my answer. There isn't only disagreement, there is also agreement.

I'm not even granting that disagreement or agreement is relevant. I'm saying that if disagreement is evidence then agreement is evidence.