(January 7, 2012 at 8:46 pm)Tiberius Wrote: If every child in America went to college,
... and that is a good point, but here is where that point fails - it's an assumption that no one is making.
As, skeptics on a atheist forum, you and I have seen this arguement over and over again - it's a strawman - pure and simple and it allows the opposition (Santorum) to make an easy and agreeable point against it.
Creationists who don't understand things like evolution and big bang and abiogenesis do this all the time to us and the "experts" who do specialize in those fields.
The article states this about Obama:
CNN Politics Wrote:Obama has repeatedly said he wants the United States to have the highest proportion of college graduates in the world by 2020. Earlier this year, while announcing plans to reform "No Child Left Behind," Obama also said he intends for every student to graduate "career and college ready."
He's not forcing every child in America to have Ph.Ds in the higher-paying fields, but he does want every child to graduate 'career and college-ready", which to me sounds like he's aiming to improve the K-12 schools as well as make college more accessable.
He wants there to be more (as opposed to 100%) college graduates by 2020 - the most in the world in about 8 years.
If they can couple that with improved access to government and private business loans, then the good can easily outweight the bad here.
I'm not saying you're 100% wrong, but I am saying that improvements to education is badly needed and Obama's intention isn't going to necessarily make things worse.
On your other santorum point though, I'm honestly surprised it wasn't Rich Perry being more corrupt, but then again, I'm surprised by few things anymore.
I'm just counting down the minutes until Santorum is caught with a gay and possibly underaged lover.
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan
