GrandNudger:
1) It wasn’t so in my time or I was simply too young to notice the more political approaches within religious settings. Today I don’t even think of going to the mosque anymore. But that wasn’t always the case.
2) These crusaders are simply populist politicians who have become specialists in the manipulation of people with low intelligence. They are still nothing close to the raw material we have available in abundance here, all over the Middle-East. That’s what this Bjorn Andreas is talking about. In my opinion the Prophet was not whatever this Bjorn is saying he was. I think he was a highly spiritual man and a good example to anyone who aspires to become spiritual. But there are people here (probably even in my city) who will commit these disgusting acts on children and then say that the prophet himself did it. + We have local authorities turning a blind eye on these because they don’t want to lose them as voters (these things have happened and I am not exaggerating). And yes, if you don’t know how to differentiate (I do because it’s in my culture), you may come upon people who claim that all non-Muslim territories are territories that must be conquered by Muslims for the good of their inhabitants (because if they die as Muslims, Buddhists or whatever they will be sent to eternal flames when they die).
So correct me if I am wrong. But the West got over all of this stuff after the great plague. The new religion that came after the renaissance was still very oppressive and is still very oppressive today, but it was nothing like all of the irrational stuff we still have to deal with here today. Ex: At the beginning of the last century we even had “wise men” who believed that the usage of blackboards (you know with chalk pens etc.) was un-Islamic because it was the invention of non-Muslims.
The remaining part of the message: As I said, the Western perception of Islam is still largely based on medieval church doctrines. It’s normal for all sorts of dogmatic belief system to try to make one belief system bad and their own belief system good in some way. In this century we can value one, also value the other, even value the skeptical approach and unite forces against the irrational or the sum of approaches that are harmful to all of us as a specie. But as I said, first you need some Norwegian guy who is willing the express all his negative toughts about something without any restriction. I see it as a good thing
BrianSoddingBoru:
- I don’t really know about the New-World. But in Europe, it is my impression that even in strongly catholic countries of Southern Europe that aggressive stance has been left aside centuries ago. Someone even told be once that “Christianity did not have an ideology of conquering to world to spread religion”. That was in the 1990’s and I had to explain to them that Islam did not have any such policy either
Desse23:
- Is this the guy who said that “Help is on it’s way” and then left the place after wasting almost all of his tomahawk missiles
1) It wasn’t so in my time or I was simply too young to notice the more political approaches within religious settings. Today I don’t even think of going to the mosque anymore. But that wasn’t always the case.
2) These crusaders are simply populist politicians who have become specialists in the manipulation of people with low intelligence. They are still nothing close to the raw material we have available in abundance here, all over the Middle-East. That’s what this Bjorn Andreas is talking about. In my opinion the Prophet was not whatever this Bjorn is saying he was. I think he was a highly spiritual man and a good example to anyone who aspires to become spiritual. But there are people here (probably even in my city) who will commit these disgusting acts on children and then say that the prophet himself did it. + We have local authorities turning a blind eye on these because they don’t want to lose them as voters (these things have happened and I am not exaggerating). And yes, if you don’t know how to differentiate (I do because it’s in my culture), you may come upon people who claim that all non-Muslim territories are territories that must be conquered by Muslims for the good of their inhabitants (because if they die as Muslims, Buddhists or whatever they will be sent to eternal flames when they die).
So correct me if I am wrong. But the West got over all of this stuff after the great plague. The new religion that came after the renaissance was still very oppressive and is still very oppressive today, but it was nothing like all of the irrational stuff we still have to deal with here today. Ex: At the beginning of the last century we even had “wise men” who believed that the usage of blackboards (you know with chalk pens etc.) was un-Islamic because it was the invention of non-Muslims.
The remaining part of the message: As I said, the Western perception of Islam is still largely based on medieval church doctrines. It’s normal for all sorts of dogmatic belief system to try to make one belief system bad and their own belief system good in some way. In this century we can value one, also value the other, even value the skeptical approach and unite forces against the irrational or the sum of approaches that are harmful to all of us as a specie. But as I said, first you need some Norwegian guy who is willing the express all his negative toughts about something without any restriction. I see it as a good thing
BrianSoddingBoru:
- I don’t really know about the New-World. But in Europe, it is my impression that even in strongly catholic countries of Southern Europe that aggressive stance has been left aside centuries ago. Someone even told be once that “Christianity did not have an ideology of conquering to world to spread religion”. That was in the 1990’s and I had to explain to them that Islam did not have any such policy either
Desse23:
- Is this the guy who said that “Help is on it’s way” and then left the place after wasting almost all of his tomahawk missiles
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