(October 10, 2008 at 5:07 am)FutureAndAHope Wrote: Regardless of your thoughts on the topic at hand, I refuse to let you remain atheist; I have already clearly shown examples (in other posts) from my own personal experience which prove there is a God. I refuse to let you get away with calling then irrelevant stories, when clearly with thought they prove Gods existence.
From Richard Dawkins' The God Delusion - Arguments for God's existence - The argument from personal 'experience' - page 117:
Quote:"On the face of it mass visions, such as the report that seventy thousand pilgrims at Fatima in Portugal in 1917 saw the sun 'tear itself from the heavens and come crashing down upon the multitude,' are harder to write off. It is not easy to explain how seventy thousand people could share the same hallucination. But it is even harder to accept that it really happened without the rest of the world, outside Fatima, seeing it too - and not just seeing it, but feeling it as the catastrophic destruction of the solar system, including acceleration forces sufficient to hurl everybody into space. David Hume's pithy test for a miracle comes irresistibly to mind: 'No testimony is sufficient to establish a miracle, unless the testimony be of such a kind, that its falsehood would be more miraculous than the fact which it endeavours to establish.'
It may seem improbable that seventy thousand people could simultaneously be deluded, or could simultaneously collude in a mass lie. Or that history is mistaken in recording that seventy thousand people claimed to see the sun dance. Or that they all simultaneously saw a mirage (they had been persuaded to stare at the sun, which can't have done much for their eyesight). But any of those apparent improbabilities is far more probable than the alternative: that the Earth was suddenly yanked sideways in its orbit, and the solar system destroyed, with nobody outsite Fatima noticing. I mean, Portugal is not that isolated."
So, basically...if seventy thousand people are wrong, you obviously must be too.