(July 18, 2009 at 1:06 pm)Jon Paul Wrote:That god's moral is a moral that is absolutely necessary is not logical proof for the absoluteness of the moral, but only for the fact that you take on blind faith that moral allegedly provided by god is absolute moral. Please answer the question.(July 18, 2009 at 9:36 am)Purple Rabbit Wrote: Jon Paul, first let me thank you for the oppotunity you offer to shed some light on the RC view.Let's summarise Euthyphros dilemma: Is what is moral commanded by God because it is moral, or is it moral because it is commanded by God?
Here's my question. In one of your postings you state that you believe in your god because you "don’t believe anything else is a possibility, without logical self-contradiction". This means logic is a prerequiite for your belief, which I think is a good thing to do. I reckon you are familiar with the Euthyphro dilemma that for me demonstrates the logical fallacy of the concept of absolute divine moral. In short 'Euthyphro' shows that it is a logical fallacy to accept divine moral as absolute moral. If there exists absolute moral it is not absolute because god says so, but it would be absolute independent of what god says about it and indeed of his existence. If absolute moral exists at all it is necessarily independent of god. If there is no absolute moral then it is a fallacy to claim divine origin for it. How do you cope with it?
The answer is that it's a false dilemma, in my conception of God. The moral precepts that Gods reveals to us are absolutely necessary because of Gods nature as an omnibenevolent being.
Jon Paul Wrote:Since God is not contingent (dependent) upon anything else, it would be absurd to say his absolute nature is contingent upon anything else.How do you know that god is not contingent upon anything else? Is it god's word you go by? That would be circularv reasoning. And as god can freely choose his moral tenets, we are delivered to the whims of god's free will. There is no guarantee that his moral is absolute it is inherently dependent upon god and it is genuinely arbitrary.
Jon Paul Wrote:So therefore, the moral preceptives are not contingent upon God, or upon something outside of God, but absolutely necessary because of his absolute nature of omnibenevolence, necessity being the explicit antonym of contingency.This is a contradiction. If only god provides the absolute moral preceptives they are de facto dependent upon god. If not only god provides these absolute moral preceptives they are independent upon god and we in fact do not need god to find absolute moral.
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Christianity is perfect bullshit, christians are not - Purple Rabbit, honouring CS Lewis
Faith is illogical - fr0d0
Christianity is perfect bullshit, christians are not - Purple Rabbit, honouring CS Lewis
Faith is illogical - fr0d0